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(...) Well, to expand upon the thoughts of the 'science camp' (which, if we wanna use isms, is Mechanistic Naturalism) - we can use Occam's Razor to cut away every explanation except the most simplistic. There is no supernatural diety, the entire (...) (19 years ago, 11-Apr-05, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Leonard Hoffman wrote: <snip> (...) And I would agree with the above--which God and such--all great questions. That said, the main agruement from the 'science camp' is that there can be no God because there is no proof (...) (19 years ago, 11-Apr-05, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) First of all, let's address this "Big Band" issue. I don't have much fondness for Lawrence Welk, but I guess Glenn Miller's okay. And Guy Lombardo? Don't get me started... (...) Not so fast! "Outside" is a dangerously tricky word in this (...) (19 years ago, 11-Apr-05, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) No one said that science was everything to everyone. Literature, for example, is outside the scope of science (for the time being). (...) Ahh.. see if only it were so simple. Is it a God (all powerful, omnipotent) or a god (limited (...) (19 years ago, 11-Apr-05, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Therefore science cannot encompass everything. That stated, something must exist outside of science. Let that something be God. Dave K (...) My math teacher in high school had that on his wall, along with other math related oddities. I (...) (19 years ago, 11-Apr-05, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Science doesn't need to answer question for which it doesn't have enough evidence to address. According to the Big Bang Theory, one cannot ask what caused the Big Bang or where the Big Band came from, because (according to the theory), all (...) (19 years ago, 11-Apr-05, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I don't think I'd consider it a dodge, really. My own thought on it is that there's no such thing as "first". The concept of time is just a perception you have that appears linear. I happen to think it's more circular in nature, without a real (...) (19 years ago, 11-Apr-05, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) I think you misunderstood me. I meant that the origin of the universe (however it came to be) demands a leap of faith. At some point, logically, something came from nothing. I don't believe it is valid to simply state that "the universe always (...) (19 years ago, 11-Apr-05, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Well, lift the ban and all h-e-double-hockey-sticks breaks out in Parliament... (URL) there you are Oh Canada! Dave K (20 years ago, 7-Apr-05, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Hmm... Well, even if they were just motherhood totems, (URL) this> piece of sculpture apparently had other connotations. Those naughty, naughty prehistoric Germans! Dave! (20 years ago, 6-Apr-05, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) What had been a primarily theoretical debate for Mike and me has turned into policy in the great state of Florida: (URL) the kicker--now you can shoot someone in the street just because you *feel* threatened! So when that apparently middle (...) (20 years ago, 6-Apr-05, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Yeah, government is pretty stupid at times--trying to prevent publication of gov't stupidity is like trying to unring a bell. This reminds me of the 'publication ban' during the Paul Bernardo trial--any American station airing any news on that (...) (20 years ago, 5-Apr-05, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) His fiction writing is good. Especially if you stick to stuff he wrote when he was younger and to stuff that ISN'T part 5 of a 19 part series. He talks about stuff that most of us embrace, tolerance, self reliance, growth as an individual, and (...) (20 years ago, 5-Apr-05, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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I almost never post here in .debate, but I was wondering what Canadians think about the (URL) publication ban> on testimony from the Adscam trial, and the subsequent breach of the ban by an (URL) American blogger>. It's very strange to me, as an (...) (20 years ago, 5-Apr-05, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Well, (URL) this guy> wasn't executed, but the point is served. Dave! (20 years ago, 4-Apr-05, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Bobby Heinlein I can figure out...Orson Scott Card? (not that I've read a single word by the guy). -->Skiffy<-- (20 years ago, 4-Apr-05, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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It is a pity that many of those lauding him now did not listen to him more in the build-up to the war in Iraq. Unlike them, he viewed all human life equally. Bush: "The world has lost a champion of peace and freedom." Scott A (...) (20 years ago, 4-Apr-05, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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From Websnark(1) for 2 April 2005. I have in the past said how much I like RAH, and how much I enjoy the work of OSC (not as much as RAH, but I do). Yet I still agree with Eric, and with Aerie too (at Queen of Wands, anothe rof the many comics I (...) (20 years ago, 3-Apr-05, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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Commentators are already saying he may have been one of the most significant figures of the late 20th... they're right. Arguably he was a major part of the process that lessened the blight of Soviet communism on the world, his elevation and visits (...) (20 years ago, 3-Apr-05, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) The latter option is the one that they invariably choose, and sometimes they add that the veracity of the bible is not subordinate to a conflicting reality. Alas. (...) The difference with Helga is that (barring some odd preferences on your (...) (20 years ago, 2-Apr-05, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Well, the point is really "what if you could see into the past", not necessarily "what if you could travel to the past and do unspeakable things to temporal continuity, as great of an April Fools that would be". Again, let's say the WayBack (...) (20 years ago, 1-Apr-05, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) The problem with this example, though, is that once we posit the existence of a WayBack Machine, we have allowed for time traveling marvels in our universe. What's to prevent some creationist with a WayBack machine of his own from going back (...) (20 years ago, 1-Apr-05, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) sake of argument :) (...) Exactly correct, effectively. IE that any creationist must assume that at SOME point, your great-great-<insert greats here>-great-grandparents DIDN'T exist, because the generation after that was the first to appear, (...) (20 years ago, 1-Apr-05, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) ***snip*** (...) I think I gave my answer in the post to which you replied: (URL) summary, it's entirely possible that no quantity of numbers is sufficient to prove that the theory is true as long as other potentially disproving numbers have (...) (20 years ago, 1-Apr-05, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Ha! Well, as an odd sidenote, my sophomore year of high school (when I took Biology), there was an NSTA (National Science Teachers Association) in Boston, right near my High School. And as it turns out, my bio teacher was the official head (...) (20 years ago, 1-Apr-05, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) We've already passed this part of the debate, but I stumbled upon this article: (URL) seemed relevant. Dave! (20 years ago, 1-Apr-05, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) So you agree then that creationism has no place being taught in a science class? Allister (20 years ago, 1-Apr-05, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Dave E and I have been discussing a point of semantics very similar to what I'm about to propose, but please bear with me... It just occurred to me that to say that one has "faith" that God and Event#1 are synonymous is not appreciably (...) (20 years ago, 1-Apr-05, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Yggdrasil will finally get the recognition it deserves! I'll love ramming it down the throats of all those Origins-thumping eddicated segments of society. -->Odin All-Father<-- When there's a weekday named after Darwin, you can get back to me! (20 years ago, 1-Apr-05, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Essentially, just saying that nature throws this string of numbers at us. Not sure what it represents. We see the 1st number is 1. We have to wait 500 years to see what the next number is. During those 500 years, what do we think the next (...) (20 years ago, 31-Mar-05, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I'm not sure I agree. If we found a dynamic systems model of the universe which predicted the future (and the past) with ridiculous accuracy, and used it to backtrack in time, I think it could effectively prove evolution to be accurate or not. (...) (20 years ago, 31-Mar-05, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) On that, I concur completely. It's a leap I'm not able to make, but I agree that it's central to accepting creationism as an explanation. (...) Oh, I know that. Heck, I think I know a whole lot less than you probably think I think. (...) Fair (...) (20 years ago, 31-Mar-05, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) That's right. I know I've mentioned it in previous debates, and I thought I'd re-mentioned here, but apparently I hadn't. (...) This dredges up math classes that I haven't had in well over a decade, so forgive me if my answer isn't rock-solid. (...) (20 years ago, 31-Mar-05, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Awesome: online hebrew version here: (URL) best I can translate it (and it is proverbs, so it's a terrible pain): Fear of God first (or primary?) knowledge wisdom and morals fools therein. Hmm. The fools part throws me off - wish I had my own (...) (20 years ago, 31-Mar-05, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Yeah, like me! (...) That was unbelievable! First of all, I'm only vaguely aware of the song. I've never seen the (original) video, but I can imagine that it has been mimicked shot for shot! How funny, and yet at the same time sad. JOHN (20 years ago, 31-Mar-05, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) <googles 'online bible', does search> It's Proverbs 1:7. And searching for 'fear of god' turns up plenty of results, starting back with Abraham in Genesis 20:11. (20 years ago, 31-Mar-05, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) This is a Hebrew proverb? I've never heard of it, I don't think. I think the bible doesn't have many sections where "fear of god" is supposed to be a good thing. Point me where it's from (book/verse), I'll look it up :) (20 years ago, 31-Mar-05, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) But my point is that science cannot ever address creation because it fundamentally defies logic. God and Event#1 are synonymous. Creation demands a leap of faith. (...) I did not know that. I had read about dark matter and was shocked when I (...) (20 years ago, 31-Mar-05, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) lol (...) Sorry, I may have been too obscure for some people. If you like parody, and Christian in-jokes, look and listen to the "Baby Got Book" video, here: (URL) Steve (20 years ago, 31-Mar-05, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) More into real estate. Huge....tracts of land. (...) Stylin'! JOHN (20 years ago, 31-Mar-05, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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