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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Mike Petrucelli wrote: <snip> (...) What flick would someone consider a 'truly art' from America? Like "Citizen Kane" or the like? Or is that just too obvious? Dave K (21 years ago, 24-Oct-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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| | 'Tis a good read...
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(URL) war hero and former presidential candidate George McGovern warned of the rapid retreat from democracy and shrinking Bush presidency in the April 21 issue of The Nation: "Appearing to enjoy his role as Commander in Chief of the armed forces (...) (21 years ago, 24-Oct-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | EULA Run Amok!
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Usage Restrictions -- Nasty EULA Terms ? Ban on Resale (URL) A small woodworking tool manufacturer, Stots Corporation, includes a license agreement on its TemplateMaster jig tool. The tool is licensed, not sold, and customers cannot sell it or lend (...) (21 years ago, 24-Oct-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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| | Re: Ecce Homo -- Mel Gibson's Passion (more fluff, sorta...)
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Looks like Mel caved after all... The last bit I saw on this yesterday on CNN claimed the film would release on Ash Wednesday next year with subtitles. ::sigh:: Maybe the DVD will release the originally intended, non-subtitled version. Then again, (...) (21 years ago, 24-Oct-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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| | Re: Ecce Homo -- Mel Gibson's Passion (more fluff, sorta...)
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(...) I have to agree, I downloaded the preview overnight and I am definately intrigued. The last movie I saw that I would classify as art rather than eye candy would have to be "The Red Violin." That was a good movie. -Mike Petrucelli (21 years ago, 23-Oct-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) I wouldn't necessarily say 'police', but if "Joe's Gun Shop and Deli" places orders into 'Smith and Wesson Gun Manufacturing Co., shouldn't S&W know to whom they're shipping guns? Make sure that the store doesn't have any outstanding ATF cites (...) (21 years ago, 23-Oct-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) I'd say the ATF has to police this stuff and not that manufacturer, the reverse seems crazy backwards. If you are going to place the burden of regulation on the manufacturer, then what do we need the ATF for? I would say that citing the gun (...) (21 years ago, 23-Oct-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Now that's a good point. That said, in the example it wasn't the linen company that contributed to the violation of the health codes of the restaurants--no one eats the table cloths. However, it is the guns from the manufacturer that directly (...) (21 years ago, 23-Oct-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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I missed this post in all the commotion, so I didn't reply earlier. My apologies to John for the delay. (...) What's unscientific about it, exactly? Thermodymanics allows for "something from nothing" as long as the net effect is zero. Quantum vacuum (...) (21 years ago, 23-Oct-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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| | Re: Just 'cause...
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(...) beyond the scope of what is wanted here. The gun shop is apparently not keeping very good records and the ATF is tasked with regulating the shop's negligence, neither is doing their respective jobs! I'm not clear on how or why Bushmaster (...) (21 years ago, 23-Oct-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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| | Just 'cause...
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(URL) not the lawsuit that's being stamped out, it's not the bill that grants gun companies 'special priviledges' over other companies, that I want tp point out (though all worthy of debate)... " Police traced the gun used in the killings to Bull's (...) (21 years ago, 23-Oct-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(URL) Galloway has been expelled from the Labour Party in the wake of his outspoken comments on the Iraq war. " The following is a list of charges: " he incited Arabs to fight British troops he incited British troops to defy orders he incited (...) (21 years ago, 23-Oct-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | Australians Get Their Licks In!
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Protesters to Bush: How dare you? (URL) In Sydney yesterday, the crowd, estimated by protest organisers to be 5000 people and by police at between 3000 and 4000, filled Town Hall square during peak hour. Senator Bob Brown of the Greens was greeted (...) (21 years ago, 23-Oct-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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| | Re: Ecce Homo -- Mel Gibson's Passion (more fluff, sorta...)
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(...) I say it's about time that filmmakers start taking chances and 'make art', instead of all this crass commercial crap. I mean, Matrix comes out and then a slew of copycats... and appealing to, well me, but that's a topic elsewhere--but bottom (...) (21 years ago, 23-Oct-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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| | Re: (Re: It will be a long, hard slog) or, Why Christine Amanpour is My Girlfriend!
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(...) But it came from Rummy! That's the bit that I'm having a problem with--it's like many of us have known all along that the 'wheels have fallen off the wagon', but Rummy was the loudest speaker for the plan. Now that many more people are (...) (21 years ago, 23-Oct-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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| | Re: The Gun Debate Ad Nauseum
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(...) Well, I decided to pull a "Richard" and delete the entire post and put in its place a trite answer. Seems to work well for you, so I thought it'd work equally as well for me. Dave K (21 years ago, 23-Oct-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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| | Ecce Homo -- Mel Gibson's Passion (more fluff, sorta...)
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Does anyone else want to see this film as much as I do? I have seen a trailer for this film which is supposed to depict the last hours of Jesus as he faced his crucifixion. The plan has been for the film to be entirely in Aramaic and Latin and (...) (21 years ago, 23-Oct-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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| | (Re: It will be a long, hard slog) or, Why Christine Amanpour is My Girlfriend!
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Rumsfeld memo consistent with public views (URL) "Rumsfeld has not characterized it that way in public, but Air Force Gen. Richard Myers, chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, has used similar words." This story is at the top of the page on CNN (...) (21 years ago, 23-Oct-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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| | Re: Iraq (was Re: Holy crap! (was Re: The partisian trap)
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(...) I agree if there were laws or even constitutional rights that caused the deaths of innocent life I would be all for removing them too. Of course removing the right of law abiding citizens to have weapons does not reduce the crime rate, even (...) (21 years ago, 23-Oct-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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| | The Gun Debate Ad Nauseum
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(...) What can you mean?! You're starting to be quite the jerk about this subject. I write a long explanation and you hit me with some vague argument without explanation. I won't waste my time on you again like this... It was my understanding that (...) (21 years ago, 22-Oct-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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| | Re: Iraq (was Re: Holy crap! (was Re: The partisian trap)
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(...) What does my opposition to a standing army have to do with the need, or right, to a militia? The militia is de facto -- it is the people themselves. There is no wiggling. I am not telling you that we are currently doing things in strict (...) (21 years ago, 22-Oct-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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| | Re: Iraq (was Re: Holy crap! (was Re: The partisian trap)
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(...) <snip> (...) Selective interpretation at it's finest! Now look who's disregarding the founders, framers, fathers. Nicely done! Dave K (21 years ago, 22-Oct-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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| | Re: Iraq (was Re: Holy crap! (was Re: The partisian trap)
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(...) This has nothing to do with morality. It has everything to do with your selective interpretation. Either the 2nd is archaic, for you do not supply militia members as needed from 'the people' anymore, the people who join the militia today are (...) (21 years ago, 22-Oct-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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| | Bush Family Ties to the Nazis?
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Looks like my dad was right again -- he mentioned this to me several months ago based on some reading he had been doing...I, of course, told him he was nuts. Frankly, the story seemed too much of a witch hunt, too extreme. And anyway, I didn't have (...) (21 years ago, 22-Oct-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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| | It will be a long, hard slog
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Rumsfeld's war-on-terror memo (URL) "It is pretty clear that the coalition can win in Afghanistan and Iraq in one way or another, but it will be a long, hard slog." Related Story: Defense memo: A grim outlook (URL) Gee, what happened to the easy win (...) (21 years ago, 22-Oct-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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| | Re: Iraq (was Re: Holy crap! (was Re: The partisian trap)
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(...) In the main, the militia merely means an armed group of freepersons that are not otherwise playing some kind of official role or duty. I mean, a sheriff might call together a posse comitatus and work closely with one -- but he remains the (...) (21 years ago, 22-Oct-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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| | News at 11? Not much.
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(URL) Excerpt: "You'd think by now people would see the scaremongering for the silly diversion it is. Local TV news actually inadvertently demonstrates how safe the world is. If several hundred thousand kids in the region walk to the school bus (...) (21 years ago, 22-Oct-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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| | Re: Misleader and the Gay Apocalypse
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(...) This is disgusting. Its a flagrant attempt to circumvent the protections of the first, ninth, and tenth amendments. The real question is will most people care enough to stop it. Further proof that our government will take away as many rights (...) (21 years ago, 22-Oct-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Well I think it was more a tongue in cheek reply to a tongue in cheek question. It is based off of the statement by George Mason “I ask, sir, what is the militia? It is the whole people, except for a few public officials.” I would say that is (...) (21 years ago, 22-Oct-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Is that true? I don't dispute it, but I wasn't aware of it. If it's true, then what level of gov't official is included? Dave! (21 years ago, 22-Oct-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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| | Misleader and the Gay Apocalypse
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First just go and see it: (URL) A Band of Brothers: The Rebuilding of Iraq (URL) Recent estimates now put the final figure somewhere between $200 billion to as much as half a trillion dollars over the next ten years. America's Iraq-sticker-shock may (...) (21 years ago, 22-Oct-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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| | Re: The Pledge of Allegience...
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(...) Well now that is interesting. These Blacktron guys look exactly like Confederation Militia Army Troops. An interesting coincidence to be sure but ultimately irrelevant. When you show me a ship which isn't really much bigger than the main (...) (21 years ago, 22-Oct-03, to lugnet.off-topic.test, lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Not at all. You would be 100% correct as to the meaning at the time of ratification. But collectively, the 13th and 14th Amendment gave freed slaves the status of Freemen. Knowing precisely what that meant, many freed slaves had to obtain guns (...) (21 years ago, 22-Oct-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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| | Re: And now for some fluff after all the heavy conversations...
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(...) K, I know when I've had enough and now I've had enough!!!! This thread is off-topic for off-topic!!! Any and all posts that deal with some sort of automatic binding building block do not belong here! I have spoken. Dave K -runs and hides like (...) (21 years ago, 22-Oct-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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| | Re: Iraq (was Re: Holy crap! (was Re: The partisian trap)
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(...) And we discussed this before--and you added addendums to the idea of "whole people" to not include those that are too young, old, infirm, or mentally unstable. Did you also stop to consider that, in context of the day and age, that "whole (...) (21 years ago, 22-Oct-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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| | Re: The Pledge of Allegience...
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(...) "We, the Royal House of Blacktron, are not pleased. By command of Surt, Blacktron the First, you are ordered to surrender and place yourself into custody for summary execution before your peers." -- Black Pearl, Lady Blacktron (URL) -- (...) (21 years ago, 22-Oct-03, to lugnet.off-topic.test, lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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| | Re: And now for some fluff after all the heavy conversations...
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(...) Dude, I have ships... (URL) -- Hop-Frog (21 years ago, 22-Oct-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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| | Re: WARNING, VERY DISTURBING IMAGES (was Re: Holy crap! )
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(...) Canada. Sure we may have people who have guns in the house--my uncle still has his shotgun from his hunting days--but it's not mandated under law. We have no "2nd" or comparable clause thereof. I haven't heard a Canadian say "I have my gun for (...) (21 years ago, 22-Oct-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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| | The Pledge of Allegience...
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...of the Galactic Confederation. I pledge allegience to nothing, for I am a freeperson. By the ideals of our founders, never shall an innocent be harmed. But, any who threaten my constitutional rights, shall be destroyed by me. This is the pledge (...) (21 years ago, 22-Oct-03, to lugnet.off-topic.test, lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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| | Re: Iraq (was Re: Holy crap! (was Re: The partisian trap)
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(...) Not so much in the 'officialdom' of your leaders. (...) Lovely words really. Words like "service" to the country, "defence of the fatherland"... Would almost sound like a draft to me. But I'm not up on all things Argentinian. (...) I have no (...) (21 years ago, 22-Oct-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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