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(...) Forgot to mention that this particular campaign is not really an example of deceptive LIBERAL spin, but rather of deceptive spin by the various "we know better" nanny state forces of whatever stripe, Those nefarious forces are to be found in (...) (21 years ago, 6-Jun-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Ya, it's right up there with "if you smoke pot, you are supporting a terrorist"... which the LP debunked a while back. (URL) (1) (...) Why? "Green Acres, that's the place to be.... Faaaaaarm living, that's the life for me!" (2) Besides, I (...) (21 years ago, 6-Jun-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Yeah, but at least at that level it's "free." In fairness, I think the animatrix is, in part or in whole, available somewhere online as quicktime movies. I think they're all supposed to be released free online eventually, even if not all at (...) (21 years ago, 6-Jun-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) No, I didnt expect it to be deep or philosophical, but neither did I expect to check my watch during the ubiquitous 20 minute car chase. A car chase? It was like they were not even trying. Because I had heard that the bros W had maintained (...) (21 years ago, 6-Jun-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) I wasn't a huge fan of Arianna when she was conservative, and I like her less since her transition. I found her whole "If you drive an SUV you are supporting a terrorist" to be one of the worst cases of deceptive liberal spin. And she sounds (...) (21 years ago, 6-Jun-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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The preceeding post was made in the good faith belief that it was a press release and therefore intended for dissemination. The original link I had for this article is here: (URL) and you will note that it is preceeded by the words: FOR IMMEDIATE (...) (21 years ago, 6-Jun-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) It should be noted that Arianna's ex ran for Senator on the Republican side with her full support, and that Arianna's column was stock non-thinking right wing at that time (there were far better conservative voices than her). She's much more (...) (21 years ago, 6-Jun-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) This guy is on the right track, he just misses the correct conclusion. Yes the best way to shrink this hulking giant of a government is to starve it via tax cuts. Problem is congressmen on both sides of the aisle are scared to make the large (...) (21 years ago, 6-Jun-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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Global Exchange * CorpWatch * Public Citizen June 5, 2003 New Report Exposes Contractor Bechtel as Threat to Iraqi Environment, Human Rights and Basic Services U.S. Taxpayers Blindly Funding Post-War Corporate Profiteering and Cronyism, Public (...) (21 years ago, 6-Jun-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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Bush's reckless economics By Robert Kuttner, 6/4/2003 (URL) IT'S EASY to understand why the administration is plowing ahead with one immense tax cut after another. The Bush people oppose social outlays, and the best strategy for cutting public (...) (21 years ago, 6-Jun-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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Evidence, Mr. President Kucinich Leads 30 Members of Congress In Introducing A Resolution of Inquiry To Force Administration To Turn Over Intelligence On Iraq’s Weapons Of Mass Destruction (URL) is long past time that the President and this (...) (21 years ago, 5-Jun-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I've never met someone with my last name who isn't related to me - in fact, my understanding is that absolutely everyone with my last name is related to me. Do I have to admit that I have the 40 years beat, too? ;-) -->Bruce<-- (21 years ago, 5-Jun-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Hah, I got you beat! It wasn't until my 40's (all of a month or two ago) that I met someone with my last name that I'm not directly related to... Frank (21 years ago, 5-Jun-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(URL) will not likely be interested and will instead probably decry the site as more liberal kvetching[1]. Dave! [1] Standard Conservative Rhetorical Tactic #5: If your opponent criticizes your viewpoint, agenda, or ideology, engage in an all-out ad (...) (21 years ago, 5-Jun-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Reagan obviously did a lot of work in those first few minutes in office to effect the release of those hostages. Now time for a nap... (...) I'm not sure I would agree with this. 9/11 gave Bush an extended honeymoon where he could do no wrong. (...) (21 years ago, 5-Jun-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) It's Dutch, and not all that common. It wasn't until I was into my 20's until I met other folks with my last name that I wasn't related to. Here's a pickup line-- A woman I just introduced to--I was 22ish and she was around 20ish-- "Hey Dave, (...) (21 years ago, 5-Jun-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Eeek! Holy Sequel-itous, Batman! What were you thinking? That "The Matrix Reloaded" (a.k.a "The Superman Thing") was going to be deep and philosophical, or the fight scenes interesting? The problem of the first film is its actual success. In (...) (21 years ago, 5-Jun-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) I kept wanting to put an R in there for some reason, it just kept looking like cordory to me. Thank you for the pronunciation, outside your family is this a common name? I've never heard it before. Scott Costello Not related to Frank, Elvis, (...) (21 years ago, 5-Jun-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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Yeah, I haven't seen the damned thing yet, and I'm not likely to, the way it sounds. The first one was actually artistic, despite ripping off virtually every cyberpunk work of the last fifteen years. If you want more, I'd recommend a copy of the (...) (21 years ago, 5-Jun-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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I hope its ok to get off of politics for just a moment. I know I'm probably in the minority here, but did anyone else think that Matrix2 was a big dissapointment? I know better than to expect much from sequels, but I admit to holding out hope on (...) (21 years ago, 5-Jun-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) No age discrimination, please. I am still never going to kick Helen Mirren out of bed given the opportunity. I don't care how old she is -- she's sexy, sophisticated, smart, and obviously knows what she is doing. Bring it, Helen!!! In the end, (...) (21 years ago, 5-Jun-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) You recall incorrectly. They were returned on Reagan's watch and there was lose of life in a botched rescue attempt. (...) Seem fine to me. (...) If you want to talk about bum raps events, I would say that GWB got the granddaddy of them all on (...) (21 years ago, 5-Jun-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) And yet he got all the hostages back whilst sticking to his 'Christian convictions' and, iirc, not firing one shot or a loss oof a life. How's Dubya's Christian convictions doing? I think Carter got a bum rap due to the events of the world--as (...) (21 years ago, 5-Jun-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Which only goes to prove something: Carter had morals and convictions, but he was no great shakes as president. He got voted in by the religious "born again" faction, and he got voted out by the religious "born again" faction. I like him now (...) (21 years ago, 4-Jun-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I would agree that the two situations are very different, but I would classify your unwillingness to equate the two as leftist spin. Both men were caught in large lies. Nixon was lying directly to the American people, and had he not resigned (...) (21 years ago, 4-Jun-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I actually agree, Carter was a very respectable, honest, moral and good hearted man, he just wasn't a very effective leader. His economic plans were horrible, and his forien policy was even worse. That said, Carter is possibly the greatest (...) (21 years ago, 4-Jun-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I doubt very seriously that the Powers That Be really would have sat on their hands if they knew 3,000 people would die. My point is that they had all the clues and they should have had a better grip on what was about to happen than they did. (...) (21 years ago, 4-Jun-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) I'm personally partial to PMOY 1999, and, of course, Miss June 2003... Both for differnt reasons... Dave K (21 years ago, 4-Jun-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) And I made it thru school totally unscathed... Every teacher in grade school knew how to pronounce the last name 'cause I have 30ish cousins older than me and we all grew up in the same small town... So the regular teachers were fine--it was (...) (21 years ago, 4-Jun-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Yeah, but he told Playboy that he had sinned in his heart. I even think I have that copy of Playboy. But, you cannot really blame people for being human beings -- and human beings tend to be serial monogomists at best. At worse, we all of us (...) (21 years ago, 4-Jun-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I always affectionately think of you as "cooties" with a K, as I think you know... =) -- Hop-Frog (21 years ago, 4-Jun-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Exactly. This "with us, or against us" stuff is crazy. Why can't a person be wholly patriotic and still want a moment to figure out what might be the truly correct response to a crisis? (...) This is why I harp on people's apparent partisan (...) (21 years ago, 4-Jun-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Yes. If anyone cares to track it back, I posted about this some weeks ago -- esp. the offshore corporation scam. I repeat, corporations are granted special benefits as fictitious persons because they are supposed to provide a public good in (...) (21 years ago, 4-Jun-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Dubya had a great deal of, well, hatred's not a word that I'd use, but some sort of ridicule from the Left... I think it might be much like the past few elections--b/w Bubba and Bob Dole... By the way, for the record, I would have really liked (...) (21 years ago, 4-Jun-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) The jury's still out, isn't it? I mean, we're still in the midst of the detentions and profiling, so we can hardly judge Dubya's policies as if they've run their full course. In addition, Dubya's internment of Arabs is worsened because he (...) (21 years ago, 4-Jun-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(URL) which this editorial goes on about... " The failure of the Bush team to produce any weapons of mass destruction (W.M.D.'s) in Iraq is becoming a big, big story. But is it the real story we should be concerned with? No. It was the wrong issue (...) (21 years ago, 4-Jun-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I sure am, just not this one, I don't think she would ever win, she inspires a great deal of hatred from many on the right. I do find it interesting that she is writing about the affairs, I guarantee it will sell more books, we humans are such (...) (21 years ago, 4-Jun-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) "The things that will destroy America are prosperity at any price, peace at any price, safety first instead of duty first, and love of soft living and the get-rich-quick theory of life." - Theodore Roosevelt. The consolidation of power that (...) (21 years ago, 4-Jun-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(URL) think I'll buy the book... But President Hillary in 2008? Are you guys down there ready for a woman president? Dave K (21 years ago, 4-Jun-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) That's very nearly a 100% apocryphal statistic. Here's one addressing of the issue: (URL) but there countless others on the web and in print media that draw pretty much the same conclusion. I'm not worried about my Canadian friends who (...) (21 years ago, 4-Jun-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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