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(...) The leadership of the army knew that the hotel was full of journalists, and avoided making it an explicit target. However I don't think that every front line soldier is given a map of every building and told which to shoot and which not to. (...) (22 years ago, 8-Apr-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(URL) military officials said U.S. forces fired on the Palestine Hotel in response to sniper fire from various floors. It is not clear if the explosion was the result of the U.S. response." Comments to this: a) the hotel was across the river from (...) (22 years ago, 8-Apr-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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Yeah, thank god we have the "edumacation" president now -- all that's gonna change! Spencer is not able to connect the dots like some of the other children in class, he ends up with a page of jumbled lines instead of a picture of duckie he can color (...) (22 years ago, 8-Apr-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) You're right--I live in constant fear that a guy with a nickel-bag of pot is going to smoke near me. And those poverty-level criminals are much more dangerous than wealthier (and, therefore, acquittable) criminals. The racial disparity of the (...) (22 years ago, 8-Apr-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Actually I just learned from a previous post that you are a "booklet historian(1)" but I strongly agree on that one, and I wonder why an average American cannot see that one as obviously as any other non-American can see. US always declaring (...) (22 years ago, 8-Apr-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Would you rather have those criminals runing the streets? or should they just be executed? (22 years ago, 8-Apr-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I would not be so quick about declaring Iran as democracy. Do you know anything about how "oppressive" Islam can be? I don't think any "Islamic Republic" can be mentioned as a democracy of any kind. ý don't think any gowernment based on (...) (22 years ago, 8-Apr-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I never saw such news in any part of the media during the period. It should be another case of intentional disinformation, either in your country or mine. Having both Fox News/CNN and NTV/Haber Turk (national news channels), and watching them (...) (22 years ago, 8-Apr-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) (URL) (22 years ago, 8-Apr-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, lugnet.off-topic.fun)
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(...) What is really odd, is that Glastonbury was Joseph of Aramathea's holiday destination of choice! (Note that I've never been to Glastonbury, and it may, in fact be a nice place to holiday. It just doesn't seem very convenient to Nazareth (or (...) (22 years ago, 8-Apr-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) If it isn't on television it can't be real, can it, now? Oh wait, what if it just had a web-site...would that count? -->Bruce<-- (22 years ago, 8-Apr-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, lugnet.off-topic.fun)
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(...) No! Really? And you think I would have known that with those really obvious question marks at the ends of the lines! ;-) There were those in Britain that *wanted* to believe that (whether they actually believed it I couldn't say). I only quote (...) (22 years ago, 8-Apr-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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The Revolution Will Not Be Televised -- Gil Scott-Heron You will not be able to stay home, brother. You will not be able to plug in, turn on and drop out. You will not be able to lose yourself on skag and skip, Skip out for beer during commercials, (...) (22 years ago, 8-Apr-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, lugnet.off-topic.fun)
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(...) These are questions, not statements - and the words to a hymn, not the declarations of a faith! (...) I don't know: Didn't Jesus visit people in the North America after his resurrection, and organise a church there? Cheers Richie Dulin (22 years ago, 8-Apr-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) And did those feet in ancient time Walk upon England's mountains green? And was the holy Lamb of God On England's pleasant pastures seen? Not to that extent. :-) Of course, all the nutcases left Britain (were urged towards the exit) and came (...) (22 years ago, 8-Apr-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Bruce Schlickbernd writes: <snip> (...) <snip> Isn't this true also of a fairly large group of North Americans? Cheers Richie Dulin (22 years ago, 7-Apr-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) The examples you give there come from quite a long time ago, I think things have changed. Having lived in both countries I would say that Britain (at least the part I live in, the South East) is hugely more secular than most of the US. Having (...) (22 years ago, 7-Apr-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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US prison population peaks (URL) your own conclusions, but negative comparisons to Russia and China is not normally perceived to be a good thing. I guess to go with our main course of "war" and the double-whammy sides of "economy in the toilet" and (...) (22 years ago, 7-Apr-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) David Koresh and Andrea Yates sought strength and guidance from prayer, as do (presumably) Osama bin Laden and Saddam Hussein. So did the Templars and the Inquisition. That is *not* an indictment of faith in its own right, but it does point (...) (22 years ago, 7-Apr-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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What a great post! A reminder about the debating definition of bias. Personally, I don't believe that any source of information should ever be disqualified or ignored (philosophically/historically - i have neither the time nor wish to read every (...) (22 years ago, 7-Apr-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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It would seem to me that the problem with apocalyptic beliefs is that they may tend to inspire the fulfillment of the prophecies upon which they are based. If the apocalytpic visions could be taken as a metaphor for wanting a better world, then I (...) (22 years ago, 7-Apr-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Idunno, is Britain a more secular society? Not officially of course, the state and the church are the same vs. separation of church and state, but in practice? Many do want that "God Bless America", but in Britain some like to think that God (...) (22 years ago, 7-Apr-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) this isn't a discussion about economic systems.. but if i recall correctly, Iran is feeding, clothing, and housing most its people.. any other economic information is arguable at best. the Economist, i assume.. i don't nor plan to read it (...) (22 years ago, 7-Apr-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) **snip** (...) A careful distinction must be drawn here, because "bias" is a label thrown around here somewhat indiscriminately lately. Is The Economist biased against economic systems that don't work, or is The Economist biased against (...) (22 years ago, 7-Apr-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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I am glad you posted this, I was just listening to a British author who recently wrote a book that explains Blairs involvement in this war, I can't recall his name. He basically layed out what this article displays. The UK tends to be a much more (...) (22 years ago, 7-Apr-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Well, if we absolutely must have a mad theocrat in office, I'd certainly want the mad theocrat with God on his side. Pity that the rock of W's faith wasn't sufficient to keep him on the straight and narrow in 1992, fully 6 years after his (...) (22 years ago, 7-Apr-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Which of course has no bias... (...) But NPR is not biased toward the US, if anything, it's biased against, and has the same information, so what IF the Economist is biased in favor of economic systems that actually work and against ones that (...) (22 years ago, 7-Apr-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(URL) showing that article to my SO, she asked if I thought Shrub actually believed this stuff or if he was just trying to gain greater access to a particular constituency group. My answer? See subject line. -- Hop-Frog (22 years ago, 7-Apr-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) the most basic element of democracy is that the people decide how they want their government to work. in 1981, when US backed Saddam invaded their country, people signed up en masse to give their lives for their country. Of course, it is easy (...) (22 years ago, 7-Apr-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Er, whoops. I'm an Economist subscriber (print edition) so it's no cost to me. But the point of the article, and the diagram in particular, is that Iran is more of a theocracy that has some elected (but basically powerless) appendages, than a (...) (22 years ago, 7-Apr-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Hmm, is there a similar report that doesn't have a cost to view? Frank (22 years ago, 7-Apr-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Um, not exactly a democracy. You may want to do a little more research. For starters, see this article, particularly the illustration of how power actually works: (URL) entire special report that this is a part of is quite good. (...) Yup. No (...) (22 years ago, 7-Apr-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) US diplomatic ineptitude cannot be discounted, but the main reason we are hearing here for the Turkish parliament voting the way they did is pressure from Germany and, especially, France, in the form of a threat to block Turkey joining the EU. (...) (22 years ago, 7-Apr-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) oorr.. perhaps they don't want the US army so close to their border.. hmm? And what exactly is the USA doing in the area? removing a government hostile to us, and replacing it with one friendly. Iran is interesting in doing the same thing. How (...) (22 years ago, 7-Apr-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Shh! You’ll scare the children. Just imagine the mess at the "trial" of either of these guys if they are ever caught! Scott A (...) (22 years ago, 7-Apr-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Patriotism (war time illness) made you blind Larry? Or is this somebody else messaging here using Larry's name? Everybody knows which country supported most both Saddam (against Iran) and Bin Laden (against Russians). (...) Turkish voting of (...) (22 years ago, 7-Apr-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Correct! I didn't want to boast about how many civilian lives we were saving by helping the US. It might have made the New Zealand readers feel bad. Cheers Richie (22 years ago, 5-Apr-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) This [HM Government funded] report's author was on Radio 4 the other night. His study was a desk study; parts of which have been superseded by a UN report: (URL) also conceded that the model he had used was unreliable, that he was not always (...) (22 years ago, 4-Apr-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Excuse me sir, can you tell me the way to the Chinese embassy? Surely you must have an A-to-Z? ;) Scott A (22 years ago, 4-Apr-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) You mean they have no right to self-determination? Even Scotland has its own parliament these days! (...) What about the USA? Who does it sell/give guns 'n' bombs to? (...) No mention of the USA's tactics? What was Pakistan to get for its (...) (22 years ago, 4-Apr-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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