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(...) Gee, that means that many highly placed politicians may be mentally ill! =) -- Hop-Frog (22 years ago, 20-Aug-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I think you are looking at the idea of equality with a slightly clouded lens... We are equal under the law, and therefore due equal protection and liability under the law. We are NOT actually all equal in reality. The life of a person has (...) (22 years ago, 20-Aug-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I'm not uncomfortable with the thought that some people are worth more than others. If I'm at fault in an accident and total someone's junky car and you total a brand new Mercedes in a similar situation, isn't it reasonable that you have to (...) (22 years ago, 20-Aug-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I'd say that "an individual that is absolutely willing to hurt others in permanent ways to achieve their short term ends" is someone who has a mental illness. But containment with psychiatric help available until the person demonstrates they (...) (22 years ago, 20-Aug-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) The need for revenge is definitely a problem. I think we really need to change our justice system so that one of the purposes of the system is to ask the question: "Are we doing this primarily for the purpose of revenge?" (...) I think more (...) (22 years ago, 20-Aug-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Actually, I was simply trying to agree and to provide one point of common thinking. Sorry if it came off as a challenge. (...) Another good point! I suppose that, technically, the *life* of the murder victim isn't the sole basis for (...) (22 years ago, 19-Aug-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Would you contend that the abrogation of guilt caused by punishment has nothing to do with recidivism or that such effect is nonexistant? It kind of feels like you wanted to pin me to that specific stance so you could play whack-a-mole with (...) (22 years ago, 19-Aug-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Ah! Well, I'd definitely agree that the average prison environment is hardly conducive to the creation of productive members of society. Without naming a specific cause, I'd say that incarceration certainly contributes to the perpetuation of a (...) (22 years ago, 19-Aug-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Yes. But I think it's less of a stretch to imagine that recidivism is caused by some unspecified factor(s) of incarceration. In fact, I think it's almost certain that some such link exists. So I guess I'm speculating more broadly than the (...) (22 years ago, 19-Aug-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I am leery of according mere confinement the status of unreasonable or even harsh punishment for basic violent common law crimes (armed theft, assult, rape, murder, etc). The purpose of confinement for such violent offenders, absent mental (...) (22 years ago, 19-Aug-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Oops. That should have read "execution of the mentally retarded." Dave! (22 years ago, 19-Aug-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Good! (...) It seems like that's part of it but there is a deeper desire for revenge that doesn't have a rational basis. I worry that we use the rational need for safety to mask our desire for retribution. (...) It's interesting that you mixed (...) (22 years ago, 19-Aug-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Or should you, for instance, carry a burden of guild because your great-great-great-gr...eat-great- great-great-great-gr...eat-great- great-great-great-gr...eat-great- great-great-great-gr...eat-great- great-great-great-gr...eat-great- (...) (22 years ago, 19-Aug-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) As a point of clarification, are you speculating that recidivism might result from confinement-based punishment because such punishment is separate from actual guilt-consequences of the committed crime? (...) Escaping from what? I think that (...) (22 years ago, 19-Aug-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) In the past it has deliberately targeted non-combatants. Now it acts with (at least) complete disregard for civilian losses. (...) I'm sure some Israelis are happy - don't doubt that. I'm sure not all Palestinians celebrate – don’t deny that. (...) (22 years ago, 19-Aug-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) When a child does something antisocial (aka "wrong") many parents/authorities have the first impulse to punish the kid. Current thinking in child development and parenting philosophy says (and I'm pretty sure I agree) that when a punishment is (...) (22 years ago, 19-Aug-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Well, you've tempted me out of my shell again... I just came up with some ideas which may explain our issues with justice, especially in these most difficult cases. While I didn't read the specific case at hand, from a quick visit to the (...) (22 years ago, 19-Aug-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Well, speaking only for myself, I am more interested in restitutional justice -- which has little to do with our current conception of justice. When things can be made right through some monetary or labour means, I think we should force the (...) (22 years ago, 18-Aug-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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Hi all, There is a recurring notion, in some debates here and in conversations in real life, about justice that concerns me. It seems that there are many people who think that it is "just" for someone who does something bad to have something bad (...) (22 years ago, 18-Aug-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) But you're also saying, in essence, that two is just as bad as ten. And that's simply not so. Two is a big improvement over ten. And it's reasonable to think that maybe whatever tactics can move the number from ten to two might also move it (...) (22 years ago, 16-Aug-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) My point is that *any* amount of terrorism is unacceptable. So the fact that the number of homicide bombers reduces from say 10 a month to 2 a month is irrelevant-- *any* amount is too many. (...) What I am trying to point out is that as long (...) (22 years ago, 16-Aug-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) What do you mean? Isn't that the goal? The only goal? Isn't saving lives the whole reason for concern? I hope it's not just about retribution for you. (...) This can only be said if you extend the timeframe infinitely. It's like saying there (...) (22 years ago, 16-Aug-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I was making a distinction of intent. The IDF does not *target* the civilian population as Hamas does. Yes, innocents are killed, but not intentionally. I find the distinction crucial. But if you want to make comparisons, answer this: why do (...) (22 years ago, 16-Aug-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) And did you hear of Bush scrapping the 5 billion (?) towards national security? I hope the fearless at ground zero will long remember how Bush shook their hands when the cameras surrounded him, but also how Bush stabbed each and every one of (...) (22 years ago, 14-Aug-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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I am not a big fan of the Village Voice... or of Dick Armey either for that matter. But one has to secure allies where one can, I guess. This may be old news at this point but I did want to highlight it. (URL) (the link is a reprint of a Hentoff (...) (22 years ago, 14-Aug-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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"richard marchetti" <blueofnoon@aol.com> wrote in message news:H0s2zn.7z@lugnet.com... (...) basic... (...) OK I agree fully that the navigation is the one item you need to make sure is working throughout. a simple link to a html only version would (...) (22 years ago, 13-Aug-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Are you saying Israeli extremists do not murder Palestinians out of pure hate? Are you saying Israeli extremists did not wreck Oslo and Oslo II? (...) I agree they are oppressed. I agree murdering civilians is wrong. I reject the notion that (...) (22 years ago, 13-Aug-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Lego.com is a site which sells Lego. If the extra 5% of users can pay for the extra development costs and return a decent margin the answer is "YES". It is all about costs and benefits. Scott A (22 years ago, 13-Aug-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I don't see this as being that kind of issue -- we are talking about a simple left navigation device. 60% of one's time? Just do it right the first time and keep reusing the code. Lugnet, Bricklink, eBay, Amazon, bluelight, target, cdnow, etc. (...) (22 years ago, 13-Aug-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Wanting and doing are two very different things. Besides, I have tried to make distinctions between Palestinian extremists and the GP all the time. It is my criticism of them that *they* aren't making that distinction more. (...) Those views (...) (22 years ago, 9-Aug-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) John, "They" would say that their attacks are in response to Israeli oppression and murder. Indeed, there is little doubt that the current Intifada started with Sharon’s deliberately provocative trip to Haram al-Sharif. Further, there is (...) (22 years ago, 9-Aug-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) There are those in Israel who want to do the same to the Palestinians. You are using the views of extremists to condemn a whole nation. In the post you responded to I cited two articles. You chose to criticise the one backing dialogue and (...) (22 years ago, 9-Aug-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Ummm, I guess that would be the "give all the ones you dont want in a good hip & shoulders" voting system 8?) Didn't they use a variant of that technique in chicago many years ago? ROSCO (22 years ago, 9-Aug-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I would tend to agree.... the only way I would say the ballot would be spoiled would be if it was not clear what was intended. If I voted 1-A, 2-B and 3-A (again) that might be argued to be ambiguous. (or might not) To Ross, I'm not sure (...) (22 years ago, 9-Aug-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) What's so hard to understand? The guy is not grasping reality: "The Palestinians cannot drive us away - they have long acknowledged our existence. This is simply not true, as I cited. They have been ready to make peace with us; it is we who (...) (22 years ago, 8-Aug-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I am not understanding your comments here, John. Here is a guy who despite what must be tremendous personal loss and grief is STILL seeking peace. Rather than look for fault on the other side, he is introspecting and finding flaws with the (...) (22 years ago, 8-Aug-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Because the Palestinians are not one-minded. Hamas, for instance, has publically declared their desire to not end their fight until Israel is no longer. Peace is dangerous when one side's idea of it is the elimination of the other side. When I (...) (22 years ago, 8-Aug-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) In what way John? Personally, I think what he is trying to do is laudable: (URL) is peace so dangerous in your view? Scott A (22 years ago, 8-Aug-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) This guy is in *serious* denial. His thinking is more dangerous to Israel than Hamas itself. -John (22 years ago, 8-Aug-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Is this a reference to the Australian eBay auction offering a "Monkey Knife Fight"? At last, a sporting event I'd pay to see! [For the humor impaired: this is a joke!] -- Hop-Frog (22 years ago, 8-Aug-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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