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David: I think a lot of that shows a poor understanding of what is actually taking place in our good country. The reasons to keep drugs (currently illicit drugs) ILLEGAL are: 1. Increased government income (nondeclared, slips easily into one's (...) (23 years ago, 23-Nov-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Ah, so as to make it so ridiculous in cost that nobody would buy it and thus essentially stop drug use? I spose. In any event, I think the pros and cons still apply as to why not legalize it-- just perhaps not for the supposed plan. As for the (...) (23 years ago, 23-Nov-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Ah, so as to make it so ridiculous in cost that nobody would buy it and thus essentially stop drug use? I spose. In any event, I think the pros and cons still apply as to why not legalize it-- just perhaps not for the supposed plan. As for the (...) (23 years ago, 23-Nov-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Yeah, I was trying to formulate a scenario in which the gov't could "allow" marijuana (or the like) but might place some dollar restriction on sales to make the legal purchase undesirable to the consumer. Not sure if it would work, except in (...) (23 years ago, 23-Nov-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) No, it's too plausible not to be true. The government thinks heroin is some big bad thing (it is) that we need to be protected from because we're too stupid (we're not)... so we have wild gyrations in the street price as we either bribe the (...) (23 years ago, 23-Nov-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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Replace marijuana with heroin and you have a successfully conceived scenario. I am not saying that this is the truth, I am saying it's a plausible reason for much of what we have seen of late. It could, of course, be totally false. -- Hop-Frog (23 years ago, 23-Nov-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I think the argument being put forth is that 80,000% is so high as to not make it profitable or even feasible to actually carry out commerce. So I'm not sure your pros and cons apply. (but maybe they do... at one dollar an ounce (an (...) (23 years ago, 23-Nov-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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"Larry Pieniazek" <lpieniazek@mercator.com> wrote in message news:Gn7J4q.Mt1@lugnet.com... (...) There is a new book published this week Richard Davenport-Hines - ''Pursuit of Oblivion: A Narcotic History of the World, 1500-2000.'' I haven't read (...) (23 years ago, 23-Nov-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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From the National Review. I don't necessarily agree with all of Peter's reasoning but I found it an interesting read. You may as well, or not. (URL) found the last paragraph "And, in a roundabout way, the Maori have made their peace with (...) (23 years ago, 23-Nov-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Pros: 1. Increased government income from taxes made 2. More government jobs for overseeing drug trade 3. Increased commerce (theoretically) 4. Fewer crowded prisons 5. Less court time & police time used (IE more time for other crimes) 6. (...) (23 years ago, 23-Nov-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Nope. Because you still had to make the decision to say "no" to them :) And certainly they have the power to make you not have to *make* a decision by never even beginning to buy your product, but that doesn't affect your moral valuation, IE (...) (23 years ago, 23-Nov-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I agree-- although I don't think I'd word it quite so :) But more or less, I think that's a fair assessment. (...) Well, given the above agreement that morality is aesthetic, who cares about what they think? We're talking about the person (...) (23 years ago, 23-Nov-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Why doesn't the Gov't legalize marijuana (et al) and simply tax it exorbitantly, like 80,000%, or something? I mean, the government *does* have the power to levy taxes, and that would seem to accomplish nominally the same thing. Dave! (23 years ago, 23-Nov-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I'm not sure. I guess my strongest notion about morality is that it's a bogus idea (like religion) designed to manipulate others into building a society that benefits certain people. (i.e. my sense of morality, had I one that I championed, (...) (23 years ago, 23-Nov-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I haven't heard that, actually. Do you know of a web cite? On the other hand, the more recent Airbus crash in Queens did involve several debris sites for the tail rudder, the engines, and the main body. Dave! (23 years ago, 23-Nov-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) That honestly doesn't sound suspicious to me, since, had the US Gov't *not* purchased the exclusive rights, then the Taliban could easily have watched US troop movements; there's no reasonable way to conclude (but *speculation* is fair game) (...) (23 years ago, 23-Nov-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) That's regrettable. It wasn't me though, you can be sure of that. You're close enough to my idea of a joke as it is without any external assistance required. (...) So you're too lazy or clueless to unsubscribe, then, but *not* too lazy to (...) (23 years ago, 23-Nov-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Your question is not valid. Post a valid one, and I'll do my best to answer it. That's the kind of guy I am. That's the kind of guy you are not. I thought it was thanksgiving? Should you not be spending time with your family? Scott A (23 years ago, 23-Nov-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Yes. I think it is somebody’s idea of a joke. (...) No. (...) Does your supreme court agree with that view? I hear not. (...) Even if you are correct (I do not intend to check), your initial summary was misleading. Scott A (23 years ago, 23-Nov-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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"Ross Crawford" <rcrawford@csi.com> wrote in message news:Gn8F85.3rD@lugnet.com... (...) Chemically induced Lego Dark ages? Lawrence (23 years ago, 23-Nov-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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"Poultron" <awood@iinet.net.au> wrote in message news:Gn8H25.846@lugnet.com... (...) Or when you realise you can't change the real world lawrence (23 years ago, 23-Nov-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) client's (...) But even if they don't have that much sway over you, and you choose to say "no", they may well choose to say "forget the deal" and you have no decision to make anyway (except what to put in the negative feedback comments). So (...) (23 years ago, 23-Nov-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Yep. If you value your future dealing above your "honesty" towards their government, as well as valuing their happiness above your "honesty", so be it. (...) Nope. It's only the client's decision if they have that much sway over you. If you (...) (23 years ago, 23-Nov-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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"Ross Crawford" <rcrawford@csi.com> wrote in message news:Gn8F85.3rD@lugnet.com... (...) <snip stuff> (...) Dark (...) I think the Dark Age is caused by realising that there is a 'real world', seperate to the Lego world and that it may need (...) (23 years ago, 23-Nov-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) news:Gn7p66.D1y@lugnet.com... (...) Festival with a flower painted on my (...) Eeeeeew!! I was born in the 60s, and I happen to think flared jeans, wide lapels & greasy hair are much more civilised!! And when I was 15, I was going to see (...) (23 years ago, 23-Nov-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) "merchandise". (...) But it's *them* who requested it, it's *them* who benefits (or not, if customs disagrees with the declaration), and it's *them* who may think twice about dealing with you in future if you decline their request. As I've (...) (23 years ago, 23-Nov-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) We can just lament our own government's attitude towards hemp products - (URL) (those contact details are probably out of date now 8?). Heck, you still have to jump through 100 store-rooms full of red-tape to get a licence to grow hemp for (...) (23 years ago, 23-Nov-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) What junk mail is that? Are you getting mail from someone or some organization that you didn't sign up for, or have tried unsuccessfully to unsubscribe from? If not, it's not junk mail, since you are getting (whatever it is) at your request (...) (23 years ago, 23-Nov-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) "Them" in this context are the officers. *I* already repudiated it, so it's not "us", it's them. (...) Sent them (the officers) a note about it. (23 years ago, 23-Nov-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I haven't denied that I'm breaking a law. (...) But you haven't given a yes or no answer to this question. Repeating, is it your assertion that when you rationalise something for your convenience that you're fundamentally honest than someone (...) (23 years ago, 23-Nov-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I guess, ultimately it's your decision, however if you go against the client's wishes (either lying without their consent *or* not lying after they ask you to), it may well be deterimental to any future dealing, so realistically, it's probably (...) (23 years ago, 23-Nov-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) So what is his association with the LP? Scott A (...) (23 years ago, 20-Nov-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Them? Surely you mean “us”, or have you resigned your membership? If you have not, what have you done to correct the situation? (...) I think it is not a huge issue. But according to my values it is a big deal. Scott A (23 years ago, 20-Nov-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Their views/wants are irrelevant in this. It is *you* who are filling in the form. It is *you* who are deliberately committing fraud. Scott A (...) (23 years ago, 20-Nov-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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"Ed "Boxer" Jones" <edboxer@aol.com> wrote in message news:Gn7p66.D1y@lugnet.com... (...) Yes. I was "born in the 50's" too. I remember as a 15 year old going to see Jimi Hendrix at the Isle of Wight Pop Festival with a flower painted on my (...) (23 years ago, 22-Nov-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I *might* believe the former, but not the latter as much. I am willing to believe that the U.S. govt. supported a plan that they were not fully aware of ala "The Tailor of Panama." (...) Of course, I agree totally with this part. But what (...) (23 years ago, 22-Nov-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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Hmm. Your post is amazingly similar to junk mail I received today. Funny that. (...) I agree, I'm all for effective cannabis-based prescription drugs. But then many illegal drugs have a place in medicine. What is the big deal? (...) Paranoia. (...) (...) (23 years ago, 22-Nov-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) professionals and executives were the group most (...) yeah well, us folks from the 60s are getting on in years. (23 years ago, 22-Nov-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Well, I wasn't (see my followup to His Royal Majesty the Frog Prince) but thanks for thinking of me just the same :-)... (...) I think most US pot is domestic "greenhouse" grown. Pot's too low value for the mass to smuggle. Cheech and Chong (...) (23 years ago, 22-Nov-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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"Lawrence Wilkes" <lawrence@thewilkesf...rve.co.uk> wrote in message news:Gn7M3B.64z@lugnet.com... (...) most (...) Sorry. Northern Alliance! (23 years ago, 22-Nov-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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