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(...) This is why I have always thought that the worst part of the LP platform was its unrealistic foreign policy plank. The problem isn't that we have been meddling too much in other countries' affairs, it's that we haven't done enough. If we had (...) (23 years ago, 15-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I can see the argument. But... No matter what? What is the alternative, though? Property belongs to whoever has the bigger gun? (23 years ago, 15-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Well, how about the fact that Ron Paul, former LP candidate for president, is once again in the GOP and is once again a representative from Texas? If you ask him I suspect he'll tell you he is just as Libertarian as ever and gives just as much (...) (23 years ago, 15-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | Re: "Kill 'em all"
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(...) <snip> The only laugh I've enjoyed this week: (URL) Rudy www.geocities.com/TJJohn12 (23 years ago, 15-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) [snip] (...) From whence does the 'legitimate ownership' of property arise? I say there is no such thing. Chris (23 years ago, 15-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) This is what the Romans did to Israel. So which claim is legitimate then? Israel's or the Palestinians? (...) From the governed, do they not? Either by consent or by conceding. At any rate, the governed allow what becomes. (...) But what would (...) (23 years ago, 15-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | Scott Arthur not welcome?
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(...) sufficient to make that post or class of posts "not welcome" then every single post you make is "not welcome" because there are people saying that very thing about your posts. That's taking your argument to its logical extreme. Further, you (...) (23 years ago, 15-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) In all seriousness, this is news to me. I admit that the LP's views are sometimes in line with what actually comes to pass (just as my views are sometimes also in line), but I wasn't aware of any direct influence. Can you give a cite? Dave! (23 years ago, 15-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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I am still "done" but I spotted a bit of poor wording... fixing it: (...) "that is a majority opinion" refers to the notion of supporting the president no matter what is decided. I don't think nuking is likely to be a majority opinion, (knock on (...) (23 years ago, 15-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) That's a far different statement than your previous and I welcome your expressing your opinion. But calling it pandering is a smear. (...) "Crisis" unless we have several concurrent ones (which I guess you could say we do). I have already (...) (23 years ago, 15-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Didn't those folks actually go in and buy land from people who they sincerely and with good foundation believed to be the rightful owners at the time (1) rather than settle lands from which the previous owners had been evicted, which is the (...) (23 years ago, 15-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Not an overreaction nor deliberate maliciousness. Just stating my opinion that the LP Statement is moot. The LP must know that their opinion in this crises is moot. Whether or not you like it, the majority of the country could care less about (...) (23 years ago, 15-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) let me add to this then - there has _always_ been a jewish settlement in Israel. Way before 1948. And since the late the 1880s, there has been a secular-jewish settlemens in Israel as well. So the UN did not give "a third group" a land that (...) (23 years ago, 15-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Or as disproof either. You are correct sir. Insert a "necessarily" in the appropriate place so my statement reads: That an opinion is being ignored doesn't *necessarily* make it wrong or even irrelevant. I would say that these particular (...) (23 years ago, 15-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Well, not unless it's being ignored *because* it's wrong or even irrelevant; that is, the fact that an opinion is ignored cannot be taken as proof that it's being ignored for political reasons. Dave! (23 years ago, 15-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) No. Their loss. But that doesn't make it less valid an opinion or less valid as input to the common people who ought to make their stance known to their congressmen, who ultimately have to bear responsibility for funding and approving. That an (...) (23 years ago, 15-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I don't think that's what he was saying at all. He has said that the LP has no business making its opinion known. (accusing it of pandering is in essence making that charge) I reject that notion, categorically. The LP has as much right (and (...) (23 years ago, 15-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Let me take this a step further. Do you really think Dubya or Colin Powell were sitting back waiting to read the LP opinion before they started planning whatever offensive will occur? (23 years ago, 15-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) What (...) so (...) remote. (...) (Scarcasm on) Actually Dave, I'm all for a Republican War against Bin Laden. (scarcasm off). Dave, thank you summing up what I have been saying. (23 years ago, 15-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) True enough, but I believe Ed's point was that, given the party composition of Congress, the likelihood of a Libertarian Congressional Representative contributing to the forthcoming national policy is quite remote. I don't believe (and please (...) (23 years ago, 15-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I hope to god that neither the Republicans nor the Democrats will either. What I hope is that all groups, parties, and individuals make their voices heard so that we can go forward as a country united rather than straggling and unsupportive of (...) (23 years ago, 15-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Lar, in this crises, good or bad, the "two big parties" in power hold the only opinions that will be acted upon. While many people and groups may hold opinions, the decisions about to be made will be made by those in power. A very simple (...) (23 years ago, 15-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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This brings to mind the only good (if morbid and slightly hysterical) laugh I've had all week. On the radio Wednesday morning as I was going to (coming home from?) work, the local DJ's were speaking with a psychologist/grief counselor. He was saying (...) (23 years ago, 15-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(I found this on a comic book website and thought some folks here might want to read it as well, the subject title is taken from the first paragraph) This article was written by Leonard Pitts Jr. of the Miami Herald: They pay me to provide words (...) (23 years ago, 15-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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This is going to be quite personal I think, and purhaps quite long. It will very likely not be worded well. What I have to say may enrage a few of you, but I am offering my thoughts to the public debate because I am young and still have room for (...) (23 years ago, 15-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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Ross Crawford wrote, quoting Harry Brown: (...) The US did not achieve its objective because it was defeated in battle, which doesn't prove its reasoning for being there was flawed. (...) The US went to Panama to remove its two-bit dictator, which (...) (23 years ago, 15-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) It's Lar, not LAR. Please keep it straight, if you would, ED. Thanks. (...) And when I explained why it isn't, you foamed. I foamed back. Sorry. Do only the two big parties even *get* to have an opinion? Blech. Thank you LFB for the link to HB (...) (23 years ago, 15-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I welcomed it. I think Larry and Ed may be splitting semantic hairs over whether or not it is pandering (or promotional), but I'm glad to know what their stance is. The one thing they say that I find myself agreeing with most is the opinion (...) (23 years ago, 15-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I'm certainly not the one raving - LAR is. I simply stated that the LP issuing a statement is pandering for self promotoion. (23 years ago, 15-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Then why are you raving about it? Chris (23 years ago, 15-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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Hi all, I have appreciated the conversation here. There has been talk, which to me as seemed remote, about Americans who are reacting with vehement anger. At work this morning, several coworkers and I were discussing possible productive responses (...) (23 years ago, 15-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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> > I guess you don't know what pandering is, then... In fact maybe you don't > > know what you're talking about at all, with respect to this. That's > > understandable, you're pretty close to the epicenter and can't be expected > > to be 100% (...) (23 years ago, 15-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) In 1973, Achmed Bouchiki was murdered in Lillehammer, Norway. Investigations revealed that a group of approximately 15 people were sent from Israel to commit the crime. It has been assumed that Ali Hassan Salameh, probably the leader of the (...) (23 years ago, 15-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) ROSCO (Just kidding Alison!!) (23 years ago, 15-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Rather than saviour perhaps you should use “role model”. The problem with that is that everyone version of “civilisation” is not necessarily the same. (...) They problem is that they view the USA as the aggressor. For them, the USA went to war (...) (23 years ago, 15-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | Re: Have you hugged a terrorist today? (was: A Measured Response...)
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"Larry Pieniazek" <lpieniazek@mercator.com> wrote in message news:GJowB8.H8s@lugnet.com... (...) than we (...) that (...) Seriously, what nation in the world has not "initiated the use of force in a cowardly and craven manner against innocents"? (...) (23 years ago, 15-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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"Amy Hughes" <lugnews@amyhughes.org> wrote in message news:GJotMs.A8t@lugnet.com... (...) than we (...) love- (...) strike a (...) If it meant that what happened on Tuesday would never happen again - would it not be worth it? (...) Islam. ...and 4) (...) (23 years ago, 15-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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"Ed "Boxer" Jones" <edboxer@aol.com> wrote in message news:GJo2F3.L5o@lugnet.com... (...) here. (...) to (...) I agree, the post was nothing more than the usual SPAM Larry often subjects us to - despite the fact that he knows it is not welcome: (...) (23 years ago, 15-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) That is easy to say when you are not willing the justify your comment. (...) That is easy to say when you are not willing the justify your comment. Show us what is "false" - I doubt you can. (...) You are wrong. Scott A (23 years ago, 15-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Take a look at you foreign policy again. (...) Education is also required in the west. (...) But what about the terrorists that the USA has harbored and helped in the past? What about them? Scott A (...) (23 years ago, 15-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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