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Re: What do you do when you never receive your package?
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Date: 
Sun, 8 Oct 2000 15:27:25 GMT
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Major Snippage>
In lugnet.market.auction, Frank Filz writes:
I'm in a bit of a quandry. I won an auction several weeks ago from an eBay
seller, and have not yet received the package. I have been communicating
with the seller this week, and now he is offering to send me the items
again,if I pay a portion of the cost. Frank

Frank, After many conversations with my local Post Office over the last
one and a half years, They have told me over and over: If you pay for an item
and do not receive it, You do not have to pay for it. End of story. I have
also been told over and over: It is up to the seller (shipper) to insure it
or register it or use delivery confirmation to prove that the item has been
shipped.You should have some proof that you paid- Right? Does the seller have
proof that they mailed it? Also, by saying I am not responsible if it gets
lost or,insure if you pay for it doesn't get the seller out of it. If a
seller sends an unregisterd or uninsured parcel, THEY are assuming all the
risk. I would demand a reshipment or a refund, of course, after enough time
has gone by in case the parcel is lost. If they are not telling you, I mailed
it this day, this way, I swear, and it must be lost so hold on, Then they are
full of $@^?.Regards John  (AKA  freightmaster) •      >> big snip>
In lugnet.market.auction, Rob Doucette writes:
This is a great topic and an easy one to ignore... until a package gets
lost.  I don't totally agree with John, if the policy is stated up front.

It is my policy and that of most LEGO sellers that the buyer is responsible
for insurance.

I don't have a problem with a seller not wanting to Insure an Item, but the
seller is still responsible to deliver the item. Giving the buyer the option
does not get the seller out of it. I just add it to the shipping charges if I
feel the Item should be covered

I know I am remiss in not (re)stating this policy more
blatantly on each individual sale, although it is on my BrickBay page
(DoucetteNet LEGO(r)).  The tricky part (I only have the one experience) is
in filing the claim per USPS guidlines, proof of value is the hard part:
who has the burden of proof, buyer or seller?  < big snip>
XPT,FUT:  market.shipping
-Rob.

It' my understanding that the person who walks up to the counter and pays for
the Shipping and Insurance is the one whose basis (ie: Amount Paid with proof)
will be covered. So, if you sell an item for $100 and paid $10 for it and you
can prove it, the PO will pay you $10, I may be incorrect but, since the
product was never really sold for $100 they will only cover your basis. This
whole subject starts to get very complicated. John   AKA (freightmaster)



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  Re: What do you do when you never receive your package?
 
(...) Until I read this, I have always given the buyer the option to insure or not insure domestic parcels, international I always require insurance. I'm beginning to wonder if I should require insurance on all parcels. Ray Sanders lugnetter #124 (24 years ago, 8-Oct-00, to lugnet.market.shipping)
  Re: What do you do when you never receive your package?
 
(...) I disagree as long as I can show (mostly through e-mail dialogue) that there was an agreement that burden of liability is on the buyer AND I can show proof of shipment (USPS, UPS receipt). If liability for lost/damage is clearly communicated (...) (24 years ago, 8-Oct-00, to lugnet.market.shipping)

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"john hadd" <limitup@ameritech.net> wrote in message news:G23A16.65K@lugnet.com... (...) eBay (...) with (...) if I (...) one and (...) do (...) been (...) register (...) You (...) that (...) insure (...) demand (...) the (...) way, I (...) Regards (...) (24 years ago, 8-Oct-00, to lugnet.market.auction, lugnet.market.shipping)

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