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Re: Castle returns for 2000!
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Thu, 4 Nov 1999 16:25:54 GMT
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Mr L F Braun wrote:
> Gary Istok wrote:
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> > Richard Marchetti wrote:
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> > > In lugnet.general, Rose Regner writes:
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> > > Apparently, Queen Elizabeth -- who reigned for so long -- followed this
> > > fashion to a point of embarassment for the rest of the court, continuing to
> > > expose her breasts long after they had lost their "essential" attractiveness
> > > to her advanced years! Not quite the image one gets from the terrific film of
> > > last year about Elizabeth, but there it is...
> > >
> > > Perhaps those better informed can refute or support this historical claim of
> > > mine. My source, and I hope he wouldn't cringe to see his name here, is U.C.
> > > Berkeley English Professor and Shakespeare authority Hugh Richmond. I asked
> > > him about it one day, and turning his head slant-wise to me as if to get a
> > > better look at the upstart English major, he confirmed the essentials of what
> > > I have related here. I dunno, maybe at the time he would have preferred the
> > > discussion were more about Thomas Wyatt's poetry and less about my prurient
> > > interests...
> > >
> > > -- Richard
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> > QE1, when she died in 1603 was well into her 70's. It's not quite the picture of
> > her one conjours up when you think of all those portraits of her in her full
> > regalia, with bejewelled gowns and ruffled collars that showed no exposed flesh
> > except her face and hands. But I don't question the accuracy of it. She had an
> > interesting life with all of her suitors and the men in her court (her "eyes", her
> > "ears", etc, as she like to call them).
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> Sometimes, these fellows also ended up dead--Raleigh, Devereux/Essex, and the like.
> It seems that the less comprehensible England became to Elizabeth, the greater her
> rage against her "favourites". (I've actually set eyes on a number of the Essex
> letters from about 1596--they may still be in a display case near 2 Humanities in the
> British Library.)
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> As for Bess's breastices, I can't say--it's unknown in portraiture, and has little but
> anecdotal evidence as far as I'm aware. However, it was fashionable and probably
> comfortable to keep the breasts free above the corset. They were generally covered
> (or coverable) by fabric, however loosely; see many a painting for just *how* loosely.
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> > And now for something LEGO.... they should make a QE1 minifig. Actually they
> > should also make a Henry VIII and his 6 wives minifigs as well. At least the
> > portly Henry VIII would be pretty true to minifig scale (fat). It would be great
> > for the castle series. As a lover of European history (and especially English
> > history), these might even make me finally break down and actually "like"
> > minifigs.
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> The best part, of course, being that one can recreate Anne Boleyn c.1537 and Catherine
> Howard c.1541 without actually "breaking" the minifigs. ;) However, I wonder how
> they'd simulate the Incredible Expanding Henry with a standard torso...maybe they
> really *will* make a Cartman just to have an additional use? I think he was even
> wider than minifig girth with respect to height by the time of his death.
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> LFB, your local historian of Britain.
Ah ha! A keeper of the Royal Anecdotes.....
LFB, I too love British history. Maybe since I was born less than a mile from Schloss
Rosenau near Coburg Germany - the birthplace of "dear Albert", Prince Consort of Queen
Victoria, and the the origins of the "House of Windsor" (Saxe-Coburg-Gotha).
I also took 3 summer seminars at Oxford ('89, '90, '94) and the architecture is
intertwined with the history of Britains royals. My college minor was History, and I've
read up on all the monarchs, even those before the conquest (1066).
And now for some LEGO.... yes for a Henry VIII minifig we would need something on the
order of a "Cartman" (from Southpark TV show - we have to remember that people the world
over read this stuff). Didn't someone see a "Kenny" minifig recently (does his head
come off easily?). Gee we could have a new line of minifigs whose heads don't stay on
real well. On the one hand we could have the wives of Henry VIII who lost their heads
made of this minifig type. And then we could have a Southpark (a cartoon) style minifig
for Kenny (who gets killed off in almost every episode (those Bastards!) usually involving
losing his head or the like) that also has a hard time keeping its head on. And then the
Cartman/Henry VIII minifig could be..... well shall we say "portly".
Off on a tangent today....
Gary Istok
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| (...) Not really--I'm a nineteenth-century specialist. (I've got the Victoria ones down pretty well, though.) But I'll probably visit old Saxe-Coburg this next fall. Are there any monuments there to him? I'm sure that the money was made available (...) (25 years ago, 4-Nov-99, to lugnet.general)
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| (...) Sometimes, these fellows also ended up dead--Raleigh, Devereux/Essex, and the like. It seems that the less comprehensible England became to Elizabeth, the greater her rage against her "favourites". (I've actually set eyes on a number of the (...) (25 years ago, 3-Nov-99, to lugnet.general)
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