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| | | There seems to be a lot of trashy language and ignorance being thrown around...There ARE younger people reading there as well as here.... I wish there was something more that I could do ---other than 'yell' at them by sending another post against (...) (24 years ago, 22-Jan-00, to lugnet.general)
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| | | | | Re: Who oversees the rec.toys.LEGO newsgroup? —Richard Marchetti
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| | | | | (...) Ignorance is one thing, trashy talk is another. They are just words after all. I don't use profanity here on Lugnet largely because Todd insists on it and not because I agree with this policy -- which I don't, I think its silly. -- Richard (...) (24 years ago, 22-Jan-00, to lugnet.general)
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| | | | | | | Re: Who oversees the rec.toys.LEGO newsgroup? —Lindsay Frederick Braun
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| | | | | | | (...) See below. I see your points and follow your line of reasoning with which I agree for certain topics, but not this one. For example, I believe that your argument defends ignorant speech but not necessarily profanity. Bad taste is bad taste, (...) (24 years ago, 23-Jan-00, to lugnet.general, lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | | Re: Who oversees the rec.toys.LEGO newsgroup? —Richard Marchetti
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| | | | | | | | | (...) Terms like "bad taste" are extremely subjective, and to my mind have no real meaning although I understand the gist of what you are saying -- really its more of a simple put down than anything else. And by "ignorance" I thought the original (...) (24 years ago, 23-Jan-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | | | | Re: Who oversees the rec.toys.LEGO newsgroup? —Richard Franks
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| | | | | | | | | | | (...) I disagree with the assertion that human psychology is a such a linear process. One person may read a post and think "this writer is deluded, and clearly wrong on points A, C, and D", someone else may read the same post and think "what a (...) (24 years ago, 23-Jan-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | Re: Who oversees the rec.toys.LEGO newsgroup? —Todd Lehman
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | (...) That's it, yes! And because of the tenets which hold that... 1) people give their real-life name rather than posting anonymously, and 2) people avoid the use of obseneties/profanities/etc., ...LUGNET is a much more friendly, much less (...) (24 years ago, 23-Jan-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Re: Who oversees the rec.toys.LEGO newsgroup? —Steve Martin
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | (...) Todd, I couldn't agree more. Thanks for taking a stand for civility. When my kids get old enough to read, I'll be happy that they will be able to use LUGNET without picking up language they don't need while they are too young to understand the (...) (24 years ago, 24-Jan-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | Re: Who oversees the rec.toys.LEGO newsgroup? —John DiRienzo
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| | | | | | | | | | | | Richard Franks wrote in message ... (...) it (...) steam (...) process. (...) Whatever happened to Mad Hatter? (...) or (...) offensive (...) (!), (...) So, we are in the right group now? I agree that people ought to be decent on Lugnet and RTL. I (...) (24 years ago, 29-Jan-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | Re: Who oversees the rec.toys.LEGO newsgroup? —Larry Pieniazek
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| | | | | | | | | | | | (...) Flippantly: Who cares? More seriously, any number of things. Mad Hatter may have decided the novelty wore off and went on to torment some other group. He or she may be posting under another pseudonym on RTL but is behaving more maturely. It (...) (24 years ago, 29-Jan-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | Re: Who oversees the rec.toys.LEGO newsgroup? —John Neal
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| | | | | | | | | | | | (...) No, I don't think he (*must* be a male) would ever give up his precious Mad Hatter® pseudo-- he thinks he *is* the Mad Hatter. (...) Sleeping dogs lay, people lie. But don't get me started on the depravity of man;-) -John (...) (24 years ago, 15-Feb-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | | | | Re: Who oversees the rec.toys.LEGO newsgroup? —Frank Filz
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| | | | | | | | | | | Richard Marchetti wrote in message ... (...) all (...) certain (...) When a bunch of people are leaving some venue (and as I understand it, some of the people leaving RTL were major contributors), one should look at what is going on. The purpose of (...) (24 years ago, 23-Jan-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | | | | Re: Who oversees the rec.toys.LEGO newsgroup? —Todd Lehman
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| | | | | | | | | | | (...) No. These people and many others were visible indicators of a serious problem facing the community of AFOLs. Frank and others aready explained this quite well elsewhere in this thread, so there's not much I can add, and I don't want to get (...) (24 years ago, 23-Jan-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | | | | Re: Who oversees the rec.toys.LEGO newsgroup? —Peter Callaway
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| | | | | | | | | | Wow, hasn't taken long for this hot potato to bounce out of the oven again. No sense in missing out on all the fun of the discussion, so here's my two minifigs worth (Star Wars, ofcourse!) (...) I'm with you there. Far too many arguments have got (...) (24 years ago, 24-Jan-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | | | | | Re: Who oversees the rec.toys.LEGO newsgroup? —Richard Marchetti
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| | | | | | | | | | | (...) Just one major point here: I don't agree with what Todd is doing or why he is doing it for reasons stated previously. It should also be kept in mind that this thread began with the use of certain language on RTL and NOT on Lugnet -- I think (...) (24 years ago, 24-Jan-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | | | | | Re: Who oversees the rec.toys.LEGO newsgroup? —James Wilson
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| | | | | | | | | | In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Peter Callaway writes: <snip> (...) I think this is the heart of the "profanity in newsgroups" debate. I can fully understand profanity in the heat of the moment, in a spoken conversation. It is extremely easy to let a (...) (24 years ago, 24-Jan-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | | | | | Re: Who oversees the rec.toys.LEGO newsgroup? —Christopher L. Weeks
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| | | | | | | | | | (...) Wait. The first part of your note sounded like it was about calm civility. How is it more civil to "insult, flame, or denigrate" someone just because the F-bomb isn't used? So is it about being decent to one another in this forum and trying to (...) (24 years ago, 24-Jan-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | | | | | Re: Who oversees the rec.toys.LEGO newsgroup? —Lindsay Frederick Braun
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| | | | | | | | | | | (...) HaH? You got a PROBLEM wid' dat? You got a freekin' PROBLEM? I noticed this as well, coming from MI (rather than MO) to NJ. I occasionally get looked at funny when I say "excuse me?" when they use profanity freely (but the elderly have (...) (24 years ago, 24-Jan-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | | | | | Re: Who oversees the rec.toys.LEGO newsgroup? —Peter Callaway
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| | | | | | | | | | (...) My original point, which I think you have partially and inadvertently backed up, is that kids lack the maturity to use profanity wisely. Armed with the "F- bomb" as it is so tactfully put, a kid is just as likely to waltz up to the Queen and (...) (24 years ago, 25-Jan-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | | | | | Re: Who oversees the rec.toys.LEGO newsgroup? —Christopher L. Weeks
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| | | | | | | | | | (...) I have no problem backing this thesis. It is obviously correct. However, the way for them to gain that wisdom is to be allowed to experiment and learn. If, as an adult, a person doesn't profane because they have a conditioned (...) (24 years ago, 26-Jan-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | | | | | Re: Who oversees the rec.toys.LEGO newsgroup? —Peter Callaway
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| | | | | | | | | | Ugh...too much work and not enough Lugnet makes Pete a dull boy. I'm actually enjoying this discussion so forgive me if it appears we're flogging a dead horse. (...) So to draw a longish bow do you believe we should expose kids to absolutely (...) (24 years ago, 31-Jan-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | | | | | Re: Who oversees the rec.toys.LEGO newsgroup? —Larry Pieniazek
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| | | | | | | | | | | (...) This is an interesting usage, can you tell me what it means? To make a farfetched argument by exaggeration? (24 years ago, 31-Jan-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | Re: Who oversees the rec.toys.LEGO newsgroup? —Peter Callaway
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| | | | | | | | | | | | (...) Are you referring to the use of this phrase or the content of my argument? Have I used something incorrectly? Pete Callaway (24 years ago, 31-Jan-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | Re: Who oversees the rec.toys.LEGO newsgroup? —Larry Pieniazek
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| | | | | | | | | | | | (...) I have no idea if you did or not, although I'd tend to doubt it. I'm asking what the phrase "to draw a longish bow" means, NOT trying to critique the overall argument. I snipped it all away except for the phrase because that's what I was (...) (24 years ago, 31-Jan-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | Re: Who oversees the rec.toys.LEGO newsgroup? —John DiRienzo
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | I think he meant he was going to be wordy in his (near) final post on the topic. -- Have fun! John The Legos you've been dreaming of... (URL) weird Lego site: (URL) Pieniazek wrote in message <38951578.D7CBB273@v...er.net>... (...) argument? (...) (24 years ago, 31-Jan-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Re: Who oversees the rec.toys.LEGO newsgroup? —Peter Callaway
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Re: Who oversees the rec.toys.LEGO newsgroup? —John DiRienzo
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | Not nearly that full of wind! But its longbow, for future reference. -- Have fun! John The Legos you've been dreaming of... (URL) weird Lego site: (URL) Callaway wrote in message ... (...) (24 years ago, 31-Jan-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Re: Who oversees the rec.toys.LEGO newsgroup? —Peter Callaway
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | (...) Umm, no. In this case it is long bow. It's describing what I'm doing to the bow, that is drawing long on it, or "stretching the truth/argument" to interpret it as a colloquialism. So I'm not drawing a longbow (noun), I'm drawing long (adverb) (...) (24 years ago, 2-Feb-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Re: Who oversees the rec.toys.LEGO newsgroup? —John DiRienzo
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | Well, we're both right. I think the phrase must be a bit more common on your underside of the world ;-), because of your more pure English heritage. You guys probably use it more, and probably have the right to spell it how you like. I only found (...) (24 years ago, 2-Feb-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Re: Who oversees the rec.toys.LEGO newsgroup? —Peter Callaway
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | (...) implementation of the GST. It's enough to give you angina. You guys seem to have mastered a GST quite well. Why does Australia have to be so dumb? (...) LOL!! I loved that article!! Pete Callaway (24 years ago, 4-Feb-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | Re: Who oversees the rec.toys.LEGO newsgroup? —Peter Callaway
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| | | | | | | | | | | | (...) OK, I thought so. When you said "interesting usage" I thought you may have an alternative meaning (and possibly more correct) to mine. I also detected a hint of sarcasm, but that could just be me. The way I have used it is to indicate that I (...) (24 years ago, 31-Jan-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | Re: Who oversees the rec.toys.LEGO newsgroup? —Christopher L. Weeks
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| | | | | | | | | | | | (...) So it wasn't about sketching a clown's big floppy bowtie? Oh well ;-) Chris (24 years ago, 31-Jan-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | | | | | Re: Who oversees the rec.toys.LEGO newsgroup? —Christopher L. Weeks
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| | | | | | | | | | (...) Right, the bow's too long. No I don't. Some things can hurt them. The goal is to expose them (or allow exposure - rather than creating it) to the things which will help them to build their minds and character. (...) I don't think that (...) (24 years ago, 31-Jan-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | | Re: Who oversees the rec.toys.LEGO newsgroup? —Paul Davidson
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| | | | | | | | No one could have put it better, Mr. Braun! -- Paul Davidson Mr L F Braun <braunli1@pilot.msu.edu> wrote in message news:388A4DF2.B4F052...msu.edu... (...) and (...) silly. (...) I agree (...) argument (...) taste, (...) comment on (...) expressed (...) (24 years ago, 23-Jan-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | Re: Who oversees the rec.toys.LEGO newsgroup? —Maggie Cambron
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| | | | | | | (...) Sorry, but I have to disagree. If a person is unable to express him- or herself adequately without resorting to the use of language considered inappropriate for the circumstances, then that person needs to develop the skills that would enable (...) (24 years ago, 23-Jan-00, to lugnet.general)
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| | | | | | | Re: Who oversees the rec.toys.LEGO newsgroup? —Todd Lehman
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| | | | | | | (...) It's hardly silly at all, actually... It may be unfortunate for some, perhaps, but it's a completely sound logical decision nonetheless. And it actually has nothing whatsoever to do with personal preferences[1] or worrying whether kids[2] are (...) (24 years ago, 23-Jan-00, to lugnet.general)
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| | | | | | | | | Re: Who oversees the rec.toys.LEGO newsgroup? —Kevin Loch
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| | | | | | | | | (...) I agree with Todd here. There are certain places where it is appropriate to use "gutter" language, such as in small groups of people. There are some places where it is not, such as large groups, particularly when you don't know everyone in the (...) (24 years ago, 23-Jan-00, to lugnet.general)
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| | | | | | | | | Re: Who oversees the rec.toys.LEGO newsgroup? —Tony Kilaras
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| | | | | | | | | Todd Lehman wrote in message ... (...) and (...) is (...) various (...) Ok, name them. (24 years ago, 24-Jan-00, to lugnet.general)
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| | | | | | | | | | | Re: Who oversees the rec.toys.LEGO newsgroup? —Eric Kingsley
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| | | | | | | | | | (...) Well I really don't think this post needs a reply and I have instituted my own rule about not posting flames in response to ignorant posts, so I won't but this seems as good a place as any for me to post about how I feel on the matter. 1. As (...) (24 years ago, 24-Jan-00, to lugnet.general)
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| | | | | | | | | | | | Re: Who oversees the rec.toys.LEGO newsgroup? —James Wilson
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| | | | | | | | | | | | Re: Who oversees the rec.toys.LEGO newsgroup? —Peter Callaway
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| | | | | | | | | | (...) You certainly are more optimistic than me. I think respect is something that has to be earned, either by actions or attitude or both. In my industry, and even within my company I come across a lot of people who are less than competent to (...) (24 years ago, 25-Jan-00, to lugnet.general)
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| | | | | | | | | | | | Re: Who oversees the rec.toys.LEGO newsgroup? —Lindsay Frederick Braun
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| | | | | | | | | | Hello, (...) Respect as an abstraction isn't variable for me; what I respect about another is. Note that Todd himself hasn't fallen back on that "because I said so" argument--and when we had the leaked-scans issue, he was very quick to give (...) (24 years ago, 25-Jan-00, to lugnet.general)
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| | | | | | | | | | | | Re: Who oversees the rec.toys.LEGO newsgroup? —Peter Callaway
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| | | | | | | | | | Lindsay, I think we are talking semantics here, and I can mostly be blamed for the confusion due to my less than accademic-standard grasp of the written and spoken word. (...) True, and that is one of the reasons why I accord him with a great deal (...) (24 years ago, 31-Jan-00, to lugnet.general)
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| | | | | | | | | Re: Who oversees the rec.toys.LEGO newsgroup? —Gary R. Istok
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| | | | | | | | (...) I agree with Todd, it's why I left RTL in 1999. The Mad Hatter was the final straw. Gary Istok (24 years ago, 24-Jan-00, to lugnet.general)
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| | | | | | | | | | Who documents rtl? (Was: Who oversees the rec.toys.LEGO newsgroup?) —Jeremy H. Sproat
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| | | | | | | | (...) Man, now I gotta go back into deja.com and see how stupid someone had to be to completely alienate someone as smart and creative as Gary. Which leads me to wonder... As alt.forlklore.urban and some other usenet groups had people taking notes (...) (24 years ago, 24-Jan-00, to lugnet.general)
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| | | | | | | | | | Mad Hatter and RTL (Was Re: Who documents rtl?) —Paul Baulch
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| | | | | | | | Sproaticus wrote in message <388C8BED.3BCCF9F@io.com>... (...) final (...) to (...) Definitely, go to Deja-News and read the Mad Hatter thread. The poster known as "Mad Hatter" was not stupid. Egotistical, certainly. Immature, without doubt. Rude, (...) (24 years ago, 29-Jan-00, to lugnet.general)
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| | | | | | | | | | Re: Mad Hatter and RTL (Was Re: Who documents rtl?) —Gary R. Istok
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| | | | | | | | | (...) Well, um, uh, gee, thanks Paul. The Mad Hatter was actually not the only reason I left RTL. Time was another consideration. I just didn't have enough time to do both RTL and LUGNET justice. I really did see the good in Mr. Hatter. I saw (...) (24 years ago, 31-Jan-00, to lugnet.general)
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| | | | | | | | | | Re: Mad Hatter and RTL (Was Re: Who documents rtl?) —Steve Bliss
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| | | | | | | | In lugnet.general, Paul Baulch wrote: [snipped interesting analysis and color commentary of Mad Hatter bruhaha] I must have missed parts/most of the Mad Hatter thing. I don't think I did, but I must have. I feel the Mandroid mess was way worse than (...) (24 years ago, 31-Jan-00, to lugnet.general)
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| | | | | | | Re: Who oversees the rec.toys.LEGO newsgroup? —Tony Kilaras
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| | | | | | | | Re: Who oversees the rec.toys.LEGO newsgroup? —Mike Stanley
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| | | | | | (...) I disagree. But ultimately, I see Todd's rule about foul language here being analagous to my rule about no smoking in my home. I may invite people over to my home to watch a movie, have a few drinks, talk, etc, but even if I know some of them (...) (24 years ago, 24-Jan-00, to lugnet.general)
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| | | | | Re: Who oversees the rec.toys.LEGO newsgroup? —Jeff Johnston
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| | | | (...) To answer the question in the Subject: nobody. rec.toys.lego is an unmoderated newsgroup, which means that you don't need to get your article approved before you can post there. J (24 years ago, 22-Jan-00, to lugnet.general)
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