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I have just uploaded to the Parts Tracker three potentially useful Clikit parts. All part names are temporary. The female/female (ring) connector (URL) male/male (bead) connector (URL) possibly useful female/female connector (URL) make use of a (...) (21 years ago, 15-Mar-04, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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| | Re: LDRAWPREDIRS LDRAWPOSTDIRS - Summary please!
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(...) [testing...] WinXP with NTFS does not let you use < or > in filenames when renaming a file. You could probably generate such a name in plain old DOS - not from the command line interface, but by calling the file operations from a program. At (...) (21 years ago, 15-Mar-04, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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(...) Most *nix file systems allow those characters in filenames - just enclose them in quotes. Dunno about Windows. I just tried it on NT and it didn't like it, but I didn't try very hard. ROSCO (21 years ago, 15-Mar-04, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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(...) They could be encoded. This is how Mac OS X pref files are encoded: <sometag>/Path/>&...</sometag> (21 years ago, 15-Mar-04, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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(...) Ok, you're starting to catch on to the versatility of extra tags, but don't stop at just one more tag at the end of the line. Allow as many as the user wants. I think <Unofficial> and <Parts> should be separate tags. Just like I know you want (...) (21 years ago, 15-Mar-04, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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(...) Yes, I'd prefer numbers and equals signs. All the functions I use to read INI files require this format (or something similar. e.g. <string> <separator> <string>) -Orion (21 years ago, 15-Mar-04, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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(...) Ah, but we've already covered this ground. In addition to the registry functions, there are also Windows functions for reading and writing to INI files in the format with the = sign. Search in this thread for getprivateprofilestring and/or (...) (21 years ago, 15-Mar-04, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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I tend to agree on both points. I would like to point out that primitives is mis-spelled in the example. Let's make sure that the official way has the correct spelling ;-). --Travis Cobbs (21 years ago, 14-Mar-04, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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"Travis Cobbs" <tcobbs@REMOVE.halibut.com> schrieb im Newsbeitrag news:HuG3s7.qDu@lugnet.com... <SNIP> (...) it out (...) appear in (...) data (...) numbers (...) responded. (...) the (...) the (...) Easier ? Hmmm - when you read from a file its (...) (21 years ago, 14-Mar-04, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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"Kim Toll" <kim.toll@intel.com> schrieb im Newsbeitrag news:HuHvvE.w2t@lugnet.com... <SNIP> (...) base (...) indicates (...) let them (...) with (...) view. (...) the (...) official (...) models and (...) This is a good idea, theoretically we can (...) (21 years ago, 14-Mar-04, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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| | Re: Web-based LDraw viewing
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(...) Not to bash Antonio's work but it's an ActixeX control and requires me to put his site on my secure sites list. Nothing personal but I don't trust him enough to do that. If it was an applet, this problem wouldn't exist. -Orion (21 years ago, 14-Mar-04, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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| | Re: Web-based LDraw viewing
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Antonio Cortes Carrillo has already created a very fine online Ldraw file viewer. Check out the message below. (URL) quite surprising that it has not gained the popularity it deserves. (21 years ago, 14-Mar-04, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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| | SVG (was Re: Web-based LDraw viewing)
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Here's an example (it even does some primitive substitution): <?xml version="1.0"?> <svg width="100%" height="100%" viewBox="-18.5 -18.5 37 37"> <defs> <style> <![CDATA[ svg { fill-opacity:0.5;str...oin:round; } .c0 { (...) (21 years ago, 14-Mar-04, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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| | Re: Web-based LDraw viewing
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(...) A while back, I wrote for my own amusement a perl program which will take a patterned part, and will produce an SVG file of the pattern. I've been thinking about forwarding it to the LDraw.org team, so they could include it with the parts (...) (21 years ago, 14-Mar-04, to lugnet.cad.dev, FTX)
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(...) Anybody who is interested in a Java and 3D should also check out the Art of Illusion program at (URL). It is open source (GPL) and has I/O plug-ins to support reading and writing different graphics file formats. -Wayne (21 years ago, 14-Mar-04, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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(...) MLCad great for editing but slows down significantly with large files. The only currently released program that even approches web acceptible speeds is L3Lab (although LDView isn't far behind). I just did a little search on SourceForge and (...) (21 years ago, 13-Mar-04, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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(...) Yes, I agree, however you expect larger files to take longer. I would tend towards a low-quality image, as it's targetted at screen viewing, that would speed things up a little. I think Michael's MLcad renderer is fairly fast, a Java version (...) (21 years ago, 13-Mar-04, to lugnet.cad.dev, FTX)
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(...) Java is probably the best route for realtime model rendering on the web. The challenge would be to write a rendering engine that quickly processes large model files (as opposed to most current renderers which take a while if the part count is (...) (21 years ago, 13-Mar-04, to lugnet.cad.dev, FTX)
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| | Re: Web-based LDraw viewing
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How about .SVG ? (21 years ago, 13-Mar-04, to lugnet.cad.dev, FTX)
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| | Web-based LDraw viewing
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Today I was thinking about the complications of LeoCAD/MLCAD and how hard it is sometimes for a group or people to easily deal with CAD files in a project. If one person creates a CAD of something, they either have to email it to everyone who's (...) (21 years ago, 13-Mar-04, to lugnet.cad.dev, FTX)
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| | Possible task for new LDraw author - early baseplates
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Hi To some extent the growth of the LDraw parts library is limited by the fact that all the "easy" parts have already been created. This means that many new authors face a steep learning curve if they start with a complex part. But there is one area (...) (21 years ago, 13-Mar-04, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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| | Re: surface normals and vertex normals for OpenGL
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(...) With the use of a point hash table, it should be possible to do all of the analysis in linear time proprotional to the number of points in the object. So, I guess I disagree with you. Not that it particularly matters, until somebody actually (...) (21 years ago, 13-Mar-04, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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| | Re: LDRAWPREDIRS LDRAWPOSTDIRS - Summary please!
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(...) [snip] (...) OK, so I'm a new guy in the ldraw dev community, but I figured if I don't say something now it'll never get considered. So please go gently on me. I don't know the full protocol you guys use to come up with these standers. But (...) (21 years ago, 13-Mar-04, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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I won't argue with your clarification, but I will point out that it would be more difficult for a renderer to perform this feat, particularly one that is designed as a real-time renderer, and therefore presumably has rather serious limitations on (...) (21 years ago, 12-Mar-04, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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| | Re: LDRAWPREDIRS LDRAWPOSTDIRS - Summary please!
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(...) The desire was to preserve standard Windows INI file formatting, and each data line in an INI file has the form <key> = <value> (spaces optional). The numbers were suggested as keys, with positive responses from the people that responded. As a (...) (21 years ago, 12-Mar-04, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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| | Re: surface normals and vertex normals for OpenGL
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I'm working on just such a utility right now. I hope to have some beta code in a few days : ) (...) (21 years ago, 11-Mar-04, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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(...) Currently my code doesn't expect all the spaces above, but I'm open to that. The LDrawSetup program that I'm also writing at the same time can not preserve the spaces if you add or delete options, so it will ruin any nice table formatting you (...) (21 years ago, 11-Mar-04, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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| | Re: LDRAWPREDIRS LDRAWPOSTDIRS - Summary please!
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(...) If it is just a sequential number, wouldn't it be easier to just leave it out altogether, and say the directories will be searched in the order they appear in the file? ROSCO (21 years ago, 11-Mar-04, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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(...) Exactly. That's what the <CLONE>, <KNEX>, <BOXES> etc. tags I mentioned previously were for. We could work out later whether these are user defined or LSC defined tags. The important part for now would be to agree that <SKIP> means ignore the (...) (21 years ago, 11-Mar-04, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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"Tore Eriksson" <tore.eriksson@mbox3...wipnet.se> schrieb im Newsbeitrag news:HuDDv0.1KDF@lugnet.com... (...) to (...) most (...) lead to? (...) Ok I try and hope that I do not forget something here, all others please correct me if i'm wrong - but (...) (21 years ago, 11-Mar-04, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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"Don Heyse" <dheyse@hotmail.spam....away.com> schrieb im Newsbeitrag news:HuD629.DxI@lugnet.com... <SNIP> (...) Ok now I understand, might be a nice idea. The drawback is that it would "only" allow one alternate part enabling not more. I can already (...) (21 years ago, 11-Mar-04, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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(...) All: It is dangerous to write technical arguments at 1:30 in the morning, and I made some serious mistakes in my post above. 1) You are correct that most LDRAW parts are not closed and probably never will be. Optimizing for ease of part (...) (21 years ago, 11-Mar-04, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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(...) I took the time to read all the posts, and I still would like a summary. It seems like the discussion has converged to conclusion, but I'd like to see the conclusion written up. I know that Lars is writing up code to match the conclusion, but (...) (21 years ago, 11-Mar-04, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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(...) I don't know about that goal. I think it's better to make it easy to assemble the various primitives into parts. That way we get more people volunteering to make the parts. I don't think the primitives *can* be closed. I also think it's much (...) (21 years ago, 11-Mar-04, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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(...) [snip] (...) [snip] (...) It is neither impossible nor particularly hard. I will snip the rest of the post here and explain. There is an interesting property of closed surfaces that can allow you to determine the normals for all polygons (or (...) (21 years ago, 11-Mar-04, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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| | Name discussion for 40244.dat
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This part has been named "Axle for Spiral Staircase" on the Parts Tracker, but needs some wider discussion on the name and orientation. (URL) To my mind it is a Technic Pin Joiner, not disimilar to (URL) just a different length (or height depending (...) (21 years ago, 10-Mar-04, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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| | LDRAWPREDIRS LDRAWPOSTDIRS - Summary please!
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86 messages have been posted in this thread so far. I don't have a chance to catch up what has been discussed by reading all posts. Is it possible to make a brief and relatively easy-to-read summary of the most significant suggestions, and what (...) (21 years ago, 10-Mar-04, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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(...) Hmmm, I must've put myself to sleep as well. Actually, I've been a bit busy lately. Now what was I trying to say... I guess I was thinking that a <SKIP> tag might be a third choice between <HIDE> and <SHOW>, but after a few days I now think it (...) (21 years ago, 10-Mar-04, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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(...) <SNIP> (...) That does help a lot. Thanks much. Brian Durney (21 years ago, 9-Mar-04, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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(...) Ok, so maybe there was a bit of irony, considering Mac OS X's roots are much older than 9's. But the lack of pre-emptive multiprocessing, protected memory, and other more evolved stuff does make OS 9 a dinosaur. Apple's washed their hands of (...) (21 years ago, 9-Mar-04, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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(...) rofl. I think this qualifies as quote of the day. Steve (21 years ago, 9-Mar-04, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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"Don Heyse" <dheyse@hotmail.spam....away.com> schrieb im Newsbeitrag news:Hu6s61.1FM9@lugnet.com... <SNIP> (...) "Snip", you got me two days sleeping ;-) I do not have anything against additional keyword, but I realy do not get what's behind them (...) (21 years ago, 8-Mar-04, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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(...) I suspect this has been talked about in this group before, but probably not all in one thread. I'll try to summarize the things to look out for. First of all, you are correct in that any files that aren't BFC-certified have polygons with (...) (21 years ago, 7-Mar-04, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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(...) Oh I don't know. I'm still hoping some of these ideas will eventually start to grow on you. Hopefully Lars will write some really nice code that finds the parts search list and somehow associates a list of tags with each directory in the list. (...) (21 years ago, 7-Mar-04, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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| | surface normals and vertex normals for OpenGL
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Hello, I have some LDraw animation projects in mind and am starting by making a simple viewer using OpenGL. I have a program that will read a file and display it, but I run into problems with the shading because it only does flat shading. I think I (...) (21 years ago, 7-Mar-04, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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(...) Right. I actually manage 350 Macs and I tried to put LDraw on them and ran into several problems that I had to take up with the Mac developers. So anything that makes this easier for admins is good in my opinion. (21 years ago, 6-Mar-04, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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(...) [snip] (...) Again, I'm not talking about most users - most will be covered by the search paths proposed earlier in the thread. This would only be for non-standard installations, where the people installing WOULD be likely to know what I am (...) (21 years ago, 6-Mar-04, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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(...) Mac OS 9 does not have a command line. That OS is a dinosaur. You can think of Mac OS X as a decendant of BSD, with a Mac OS 9 look-a-like window server. In fact, you can remove Apple's window server and add X11, turning Mac OS X into just (...) (21 years ago, 6-Mar-04, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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"Don Heyse" <dheyse@hotmail.spam....away.com> schrieb im Newsbeitrag news:Hu4BBu.20n4@lugnet.com... <SNIP> (...) tags (...) Most (...) <BOXES>, (...) %LDRAWDIR%\PARTS\B (...) version (...) Or (...) soft (...) Ahhh I didn't see that in the first (...) (21 years ago, 6-Mar-04, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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"Ross Crawford" <rosscraw@bigpond.net.au> schrieb im Newsbeitrag news:Hu4L6M.1Eyo@lugnet.com... <SNIP> (...) these (...) in some cases "xxx.exe /LDRAWDIR=C:/LDRAW /LDRAWINI=\\LDRAW_BOX/INI will work too. There is no standard function set in windows (...) (21 years ago, 6-Mar-04, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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| | Re: LDRAWPREDIRS LDRAWPOSTDIRS - additional search paths
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(...) Well I don't know how mac command lines work but I was thinking along these lines: Windoze: xxx.exe /LDRAWDIR=C:\LDRAW /LDRAWINI=\\LDRAW_BOX\INI Unix: xxx --ldrawdir ${HOME}/ldraw --ldrawini /etc/ldraw You might also wanna provide old single (...) (21 years ago, 5-Mar-04, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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(...) There are all sorts of network mounting tools out there. I'm not sure, but perhaps you're thinking of samba. I've used that from the unix side to be both a client and a server for Windows networks. But there are plenty of other more obscure (...) (21 years ago, 5-Mar-04, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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"Don Heyse" <dheyse@hotmail.spam....away.com> schrieb im Newsbeitrag news:Hu4BBu.20n4@lugnet.com... <SNIP> (...) server. (...) file (...) tags (...) Most (...) <BOXES>, (...) %LDRAWDIR%\PARTS\B (...) version (...) Or (...) soft (...) There is also (...) (21 years ago, 5-Mar-04, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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"Lars C. Hassing" <sp.lars@am.hassings.dk> schrieb im Newsbeitrag news:Hu438x.Ko0@lugnet.com... (...) server, (...) They install everything on a NT network, using a server which hold the ldraw library and also a copy of MLCad. I recommended to do (...) (21 years ago, 5-Mar-04, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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(...) Here's how I see it working: 1. The admin creates an LDRAW directory on the server. 2. The admin creates extra parts directories under <LDRAWDIR> on the server. 3. The admin creates an ldraw.ini file in the <LDRAWDIR> using the new GUI program (...) (21 years ago, 5-Mar-04, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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(...) How will such an installation be laid out? Will users install MLCad on their local machine and MLCad will then first thing ask the user to locate the LDrawDir, which the user specifies as e.g. L:\LDraw or \\server\LDraw ? If the search path (...) (21 years ago, 5-Mar-04, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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(...) Ok, I can see where I myself might use this in a pinch because I almost always run things from the command prompt. However, even I would rather set an environment variable or use some other global setting in an ini file. Why? Because if I use (...) (21 years ago, 4-Mar-04, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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(...) Well to be usable, both must be implemented. (...) As I said it would only be for non-standard setups. I think the Lars' search list is ample for the vast majority of people. Those using networks, etc, probably would classify as "advanced (...) (21 years ago, 3-Mar-04, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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(...) And I'm pretty sure on Mac OS X, if you use the finder to activate your program, you have no control whatsoever over the command line. So you already need another way if you want to click on a LDR file or link and have something happen. Don (21 years ago, 3-Mar-04, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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(...) I'm not sure what you're trying to say. Do you mean "USERS need the ability to specify", or "programs need the ability to READ"? Either way, that approach is for advanced users (software geeks) only. We're trying to improve things for ordinary (...) (21 years ago, 3-Mar-04, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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(...) Seems to me programs need the ability to specify the LDRAWINI directory (and possibly LDRAWDIR) on the command line, for non-standard setups. Maybe the library needs an Ldraw-specific getopt[1] function as well. ROSCO [1] (URL) (21 years ago, 3-Mar-04, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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(...) I'm logged onto an NT domain right now at work and it's set to this: ALLUSERSPROFILE=C:\Documents and Settings\All Users That's on the local drive. But I suppose you're right, a competent administrator could set it up somewhere on the network. (...) (21 years ago, 3-Mar-04, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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| | Re: lugnet.cad.dev (2004.03.03.1000) #9551 (1 article)
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(...) Well, there is Mac OS 8-9 and Mac OS X. Mac OS 8-9: The search path for the ini/pref file is: /System Folder/Preferences There is no where else it should be saved. Andrew can tell you what the format is (I don't think it is xml/plist). Mac OS (...) (21 years ago, 3-Mar-04, to lugnet.cad.dev.mac, lugnet.cad.dev)
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(...) You're welcome. I chose C rather than C++ because L3P is still also compiled with 1988 TurboC. L3Lab and LDrawSetup is C++, but can easily interface to a lib in C. You can write a wrapper class if you think it's necessary. (...) But of course (...) (21 years ago, 3-Mar-04, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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(...) Sure. (...) OK. (...) Fine. (...) I think so too. Users will also have the option to use the new app LDrawSetup, which can setup LDrawDir, SearchDirs, LgeoDirectory, MIME-types. /Lars (21 years ago, 3-Mar-04, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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(...) It's no problem handling the \ or /'s. We do that all the time already in our parts referencing e.g. S\3039S01.DAT, we do manage to find the subpart on unix too :-) My library reads env vars and ini files in any format and converts it to the (...) (21 years ago, 3-Mar-04, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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(...) No, but leading blanks would be preserved as well... (...) Isn't that what %ALLUSERSPROFILE% is for? (...) LDRAWINI is just an opportunity for quickly temporarily using another specific ldraw.ini file. /Lars (21 years ago, 3-Mar-04, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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"Lars C. Hassing" <sp.lars@am.hassings.dk> schrieb im Newsbeitrag news:Htz996.1H4@lugnet.com... (...) style of (...) it - (...) What I said ;-) <SNIP> (...) env (...) with (...) notified (...) all programs. (...) That sound interesting - any way I (...) (21 years ago, 3-Mar-04, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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"Don Heyse" <dheyse@hotmail.spam....away.com> schrieb im Newsbeitrag news:Hu0CMF.1Fyv@lugnet.com... (...) Ok, agreed too. So with have <HIDE> and optionally <SHOW> - right? (...) I would still like the quotation marks as an option - not a must. If a (...) (21 years ago, 3-Mar-04, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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(...) Oh yeah. One other thing about an ldraw.ini located on a central server. I'd prefer to leave the client OS up to the user. This reinforces my case for the <LDRAWDIR>parts path format without the nasty OS specific slash character. Enjoy, Don (21 years ago, 3-Mar-04, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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(...) I agree, and prefer <> around all tags. (...) Ah, but what about leading blanks. ;^) Nevermind, I don't think you can create an absolute path that starts with leading blanks. (...) But wait. The reason given for looking in LDRAWDIR is for a (...) (21 years ago, 3-Mar-04, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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(...) The data contained in either environment variables or ini files should have exactly the same format. (...) Trailing blanks are preserved in both env var and ini files. So I still don't think quotation marks are necessary... (...) I didn't mean (...) (21 years ago, 3-Mar-04, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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Where to store the preferences? While I've been aware of this thread, I haven't actually been following it, so correct me if I've got the wrong end of the stick. (...) MacOS 9 and earlier is a single user environment and it was easy to place (and (...) (21 years ago, 1-Mar-04, to lugnet.cad.dev, lugnet.cad.dev.mac)
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(...) Sorry to immediately respond to my own respond to my own reply, but I forgot one minor detail. The corallary to this bit is that to be safe, Windows programs should treat both / and \ as path separators any time they parse paths, and work (...) (21 years ago, 2-Mar-04, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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(...) I believe that this isn't entirely true. We had a problem at work where a program didn't work right in Windows 9x (I think it was 98, but I'm not entirely sure), but worked fine in Windows NT and Windows 2000. After some careful debugging, I (...) (21 years ago, 2-Mar-04, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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(...) That's not exactly true. I'm sure you can work out an arrangement with Lars. After all, L3P is not entirely open source, and the benefit of all the LDRAW tools using an identical parts search strategy is probably more useful than having you (...) (21 years ago, 1-Mar-04, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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(...) Oh. I didn't know it was as easy as: ~/MacOSX/environment.plist I guess that is one route. In Cocoa, which is what Andrew and I are both developing in now, it is really easy to grab prefs that have a unique name for the application. It isn't (...) (21 years ago, 1-Mar-04, to lugnet.cad.dev.mac, lugnet.cad.dev)
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"Don Heyse" <dheyse@hotmail.spam....away.com> schrieb im Newsbeitrag news:HtwMAE.3BM@lugnet.com... (...) Done, sorry about that - but it was a hard day at work :-( (...) As mentioned earlier in this thread ... we should go with: 1) Users Home (...) (21 years ago, 1-Mar-04, to lugnet.cad.dev, lugnet.cad.dev.mac)
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Ok I hop on again ... "Lars C. Hassing" <sp.lars@am.hassings.dk> schrieb im Newsbeitrag news:Htnz7B.G2z@lugnet.com... (...) located (...) directories, (...) (URL) However, I suggest section name [LDrawSearch] which is more in line with [LDraw]. I (...) (21 years ago, 1-Mar-04, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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(...) Actually Environment variables work pretty well on OS X because they've set up a standard place to put them, and it's one of those plist files. See here for details. (URL) would be nice though to have a standard fallback location for the (...) (21 years ago, 1-Mar-04, to lugnet.cad.dev.mac, lugnet.cad.dev)
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One other thing. Environment variables work too, but only serious Unixy Mac OS X people actually modify them--that is, some developers, but no one else. Normal users would even know what they are. Heck, even I don't modify mine. For my l3p and (...) (21 years ago, 1-Mar-04, to lugnet.cad.dev.mac, lugnet.cad.dev)
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(...) /etc would work, except it would require admin permission to install, which is something the Mac OS X community doesn't like for an installer/app that isn't a system modifying type of installer/app. Saving stuff in /etc/ will also not survive (...) (21 years ago, 1-Mar-04, to lugnet.cad.dev.mac, lugnet.cad.dev)
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(...) Oops, I forgot to add this. These sort of restrictions mean a user may be forced to put extra search directories in their home directory. Rather than recognize $HOME or %USERPROFILE% in an absolute path, it might be nice to add a <HOME> (...) (21 years ago, 1-Mar-04, to lugnet.cad.dev, lugnet.cad.dev.mac)
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(...) I'm only willing to abandon environment variables if you're willing to go the distance and really try to work out a standard that we all can use. I, like Lars, was quite disappointed when you got impatient and cut short the previous discussion (...) (21 years ago, 1-Mar-04, to lugnet.cad.dev, lugnet.cad.dev.mac)
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| | Parts Tracker outages in preparation for release of 2004-01
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Please expect some availability outages on the Parts Tracker today (and maybe for the next few days), as I work on the next parts update. If all goes well the 2004-01 update will be ready in the next few days. Chris Dee (LDraw Parts Admin) (21 years ago, 29-Feb-04, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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(...) I agree (although I did point something out in a response to Orion's response). Unix (and Unix-like) environments do often use the environment to control things, but they also use dot files. And while it wouldn't make sense to have an (...) (21 years ago, 28-Feb-04, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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(...) Well, the ldraw directory itself can be specified in ldraw.ini. And while I agree that filling up the Windows directory is generally a bad thing, you can't have the file be in the LDraw directory if it is the file that specifies where to find (...) (21 years ago, 28-Feb-04, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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(...) I agree. I like the ini file solution over the environmet varible (...) I agree that putting the ldraw.ini the LDRAW dir would make much more sense (why it wasn't in the first place is puzzling) but the problem is that the programs the use it (...) (21 years ago, 28-Feb-04, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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I just start a new sub-thread to discuss two very important points where I thought over two nights now: The location of the ini file and environment variables! I would not recommend to go with both solutions, because its source for possible errors (...) (21 years ago, 28-Feb-04, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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(...) I think you are being a bit unreasonable. The discussion is about a fundamental functionality of LDraw, which has impact on all programs. Agreement is important to ease the life of the end user: *one* place for setup. We try to accomodate (...) (21 years ago, 27-Feb-04, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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| | LDraw Design Pad (LDDP) 1.54 Released
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LDDesignPad (LDDP) is a tool for editing and handling LDraw files in a very comfortable way. Download it here: (URL) are: -Fully customizable editor with syntax highlighting -Open multiple files at the same time -Unlimited Undo/Redo -Use/define (...) (21 years ago, 27-Feb-04, to lugnet.cad, lugnet.cad.dev, lugnet.announce)
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Sorry to be a bit harsh now but whats going on here now is exactly what I ment with overkill in discussions. We discuss about a quite simple small usefull feature - but we also discuss how we can make things complicated and beeing a long process (...) (21 years ago, 26-Feb-04, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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(...) Exactly, and you don't look for a part named "\3006.DAT" in the PARTS directory? When you combine the full path to the PARTS directory with the part filename you have to add the "\" yourself, right? So I know you can do it... (...) Ah, but (...) (21 years ago, 26-Feb-04, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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(...) OK. (...) But you don't declare LDRAWDIR as C:\LDraw\, i.e. with a trailing backslash. We also use %WINDIR%\ldraw.ini and not %WINDIR%ldraw.ini. I think most variable substitution in any (script) language uses explicit delimiters in stead of (...) (21 years ago, 26-Feb-04, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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(...) I also considered suggesting [LDrawSearch] but I held back and went with the "me too". I do like [LDrawSearch] better though. (...) Sure, but use lowercase ldraw.ini please! I'm too lazy to remember to use the shift key on a case sensitive (...) (21 years ago, 26-Feb-04, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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(...) Me too. I think it is a good idea with a separate section for the search directories, it allows shorter keys than suggested in (URL) I suggest section name [LDrawSearch] which is more in line with [LDraw]. (...) Yes, first (...) (21 years ago, 25-Feb-04, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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"Don Heyse" <dheyse@hotmail.spam....away.com> schrieb im Newsbeitrag news:HtnCyv.188q@lugnet.com... <SNIP> (...) I will not use the variable, files should be readable on any platform ;-) What about quotation marks in the lines? I suggest to NOT (...) (21 years ago, 25-Feb-04, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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| | trackdraw, sourceforge
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TrackDraw is now in the alpha stage, which means it is feature complete, though with many bugs. Thanks to everyone who helped with the design phase. I'm working on the transition from the Yahoo group (URL) to the sourceforge project (URL) . Here's a (...) (21 years ago, 25-Feb-04, to lugnet.cad.dev, lugnet.off-topic.geek)
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(...) It works for me too. So we should check the user's home directory for an ldraw.ini file containing an [LDRAW_SEARCH] section, then if not found look in the ldraw.ini file in Windows directory. For myself, because of platform portability (...) (21 years ago, 25-Feb-04, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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(...) I've really fixed the problem this ime and possibly found a bug in the "Print this story" feature of PostNuke. -Orion (21 years ago, 25-Feb-04, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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