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| | | Last week someone in the world posted the Lego Beretta Series 92 9mm pistol that I built over a year ago on www.fark.com. (URL) page typically gets like 20 hits a week. Lately it's getting over 8000 a day. And many of these people have been pointed (...) (23 years ago, 27-Nov-01, to lugnet.cad, lugnet.general) !!
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| | | | | Re: The Lego Beretta just won't die —Frank Filz
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| | | | | (...) Cool! I didn't read all the comments. Has anyone posted a link to the LEGO machine gun someone made? Frank (23 years ago, 27-Nov-01, to lugnet.cad)
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| | | | | Re: The Lego Beretta just won't die —Carsten Schmitz
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| | | | | Hello, (...) thousands (...) said (...) good. (...) I am sorry but I will refuse gladly this kind of PR. I don't want anyone to think I am a fanatics of something that is or was used to kill someone or something. No thanks. Go show off somewhere (...) (23 years ago, 27-Nov-01, to lugnet.cad)
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| | | | | | | Re: The Lego Beretta just won't die —Jennifer L. Boger
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| | | | | | | (...) I think it's great and wonderful for Jeff, myself! and i'm probably the biggest gun control person here! Kudos, Jeff. ps: i highly doubt the lego berreta was used to kill anyone or anything ;) pps: i'm also a big fan of fark, though it's er... (...) (23 years ago, 27-Nov-01, to lugnet.cad)
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| | | | | | | Re: The Lego Beretta just won't die —Drew Lawrence
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| | | | | | | (...) What about me? If you read Lugnet.Military, you'll notice that I've built a large number of WW2 aircraft. Does that mean I'm in trouble for building a MOC of something which was used 60 years ago to kill people? (...) Go show off somewhere (...) (23 years ago, 27-Nov-01, to lugnet.cad)
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| | | | | | | Re: The Lego Beretta just won't die —Jeff Boen
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| | | | | | | (...) Hmmm.. funny, cause I don't see the name "Carsten" on any of my pages, so what does it have to do with you? I guess I missed the part where Beretta offered you PR for *my* designs. J (23 years ago, 27-Nov-01, to lugnet.cad)
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| | | | | | | | | Using Lego to build weapons? (was Re: The Lego Beretta just won't die) —Carsten Schmitz
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| | | | | | | | Hello, [Beretta build of Lego] (...) what (...) offered (...) You should start reading your own mails: (...) thousands (...) said At least I think i belong to this AFOL community. You can twist and turn it as long as you want to.. but a weapon like (...) (23 years ago, 27-Nov-01, to lugnet.cad)
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| | | | | | | | | | Re: Using Lego to build weapons? (was Re: The Lego Beretta just won't die) —Jeremy H. Sproat
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| | | | | | | | | (...) Fortunately, people would still tend to see Lego as a toy and not a weapon IMHO. (Those who seriously consider Lego a weapon already have serious issues that this particular model won't affect one way or another.) Folks tend to associate with (...) (23 years ago, 27-Nov-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | | | Re: Using Lego to build weapons? (was Re: The Lego Beretta just won't die) —Jennifer L. Boger
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| | | | | | | | | (...) (again, i say this as a big gun control advocate) I believe many people would argue with you here. I know many gun collectors who own beretta's, and not a single one of them has killed any humans. (...) Sproat already said it, but it's worth (...) (23 years ago, 27-Nov-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | | | | Re: Using Lego to build weapons? (was Re: The Lego Beretta just won't die) —Dan Boger
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| | | | | | | | | | (...) that is (...) would (...) not a (...) yah, I would be one of those people. I am also pro gun control, and yet I believe that it's not guns who kill, it's people. A gun can be used to protect, and save lives. (...) so no more pirate ships, (...) (23 years ago, 27-Nov-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | | | | | Re: Using Lego to build weapons? (was Re: The Lego Beretta just won't die) —Carsten Schmitz
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| | | | | | | | | | "Dan Boger" <dan@peeron.com> schrieb im Newsbeitrag news:200111271500.fA...ldomain... (...) Yeah. An a-bomb can too... (...) more (...) These are all fictional or historical themes as you may have noticed. Show me a LEGO theme that plays in our (...) (23 years ago, 27-Nov-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | | | | | Re: Using Lego to build weapons? (was Re: The Lego Beretta just won't die) —Dan Boger
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| | | | | | | | | | | (...) really? how do you figure? or was that sarcasm? if so, it doesn't refute my argument... (...) something like town? with bank robbers, police officers? All armed, by the way. (...) you maybe didn't tell him how to play, but you did tell him to (...) (23 years ago, 27-Nov-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | Re: Using Lego to build weapons? (was Re: The Lego Beretta just won't die) —Jennifer Clark
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| | | | | | | | | | | | (...) Yeah yeah, tanks rule. Huhuhuhuhu, hehehe, huhuhu. Tanks are cool. Needless to say I also enjoy tanks, aircraft, in fact any kind of cool machinery, even gun mechanisms, just so long as I am not on the receiving end. If this makes me a nutter (...) (23 years ago, 27-Nov-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | | | | | Re: Using Lego to build weapons? (was Re: The Lego Beretta just won't die) —Frank Filz
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| | | | | | | | | | | (...) I think the romanticism of violence implicit in Pirate, Castle, Wild West, and Adventurers is far worse than the desire to make as accurate as possible a model of something which happens to be a weapon, though I obviously don't actually think (...) (23 years ago, 27-Nov-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | Re: Using Lego to build weapons? (was Re: The Lego Beretta just won't die) —Scott Arthur
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| | | | | | | | | | | | (...) But do these themes not represent the battle of "Good" against "Bad" in a simple way? I'm not sure a *model* gun does that? Jeff's gun is a model *not* a toy. As a model it is great. It is impressive. However, I don't want one. What affirmed (...) (23 years ago, 27-Nov-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | Re: Using Lego to build weapons? (was Re: The Lego Beretta just won't die) —Richie Dulin
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| | | | | | | | | | | | (...) But that's just plain funny - what other sort of 1x1 cone is there? Cheers Richie Dulin (23 years ago, 28-Nov-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | Re: Using Lego to build weapons? (was Re: The Lego Beretta just won't die) —Ross Crawford
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | (...) Well, you could probably model more standard ammo with just 1x1 rounds (pun not intended!) - the stud would give the appearance of a "round" tip...use grey for the bullet & colour of your choice for the casing. ROSCO (couldn't figure out where (...) (23 years ago, 28-Nov-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | Re: Using Lego to build weapons? (was Re: The Lego Beretta just won't die) —Jeremy H. Sproat
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| | | | | | | | | | | | (...) I suppose you could do a 1x1 cone with an antenna piece through the middle -- you know, that ubiquitous 9-mm discarding sabot round for maximum penetrating power. :-, Cheers, - jsproat (23 years ago, 28-Nov-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | | | | | Re: Using Lego to build weapons? (was Re: The Lego Beretta just won't die) —Eric Brouwer
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| | | | | | | | | | | (...) He didn't build a weapon, as far as I can tell. He build a MODEL of one. Big difference. If he built an all plastic, working, lethal hand gun that could be assembled and disassembled from easily obtainable parts, you'd have a point. Something (...) (23 years ago, 27-Nov-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | Re: Using Lego to build weapons? (was Re: The Lego Beretta just won't die) —Jennifer L. Boger
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| | | | | | | | | | | | (...) heh, i have it bookmarked for just the same reason. :) Along with Dave Eaton's little piano, go figure :) (23 years ago, 27-Nov-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | | | | | Re: Using Lego to build weapons? (was Re: The Lego Beretta just won't die) —David Eaton
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| | | | | | | | | | | (...) Isn't the idea of non-violent toys that we don't encourage the IDEA of violence? I mean, isn't an A-Bomb a historical weapon? Is that ok for a toy? How about a medieval torture chamber? At what point in history or fiction does a weapon (...) (23 years ago, 27-Nov-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | | | | | Re: Using Lego to build weapons? (was Re: The Lego Beretta just won't die) —Kenneth Wright
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| | | | | | | | | | (...) My post is directed at the reply: (...) By this comment is it safe to say that you feel historical weapons and any death they caused are acceptable, but any in our "current time" are not? Weapons are an unavoidable part of our history and our (...) (23 years ago, 28-Nov-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | | | Re: Using Lego to build weapons? (was Re: The Lego Beretta just won't die) —David Eaton
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| | | | | | | | | (...) I don't think a single AFOL's model represents the entire AFOL community, do you? I don't think people are going to look at a Lego gun and say "Gee, if *that's* what adults do with Lego, they shouldn't have it!". And if they do, they can live (...) (23 years ago, 27-Nov-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | | | | Re: Using Lego to build weapons? (was Re: The Lego Beretta just won't die) —Carsten Schmitz
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| | | | | | | | | | Hello, "David Eaton" <deaton@intdata.com> schrieb im Newsbeitrag news:GnH008.J1L@lugnet.com... (...) do (...) do, (...) Sorry .. i think you might understand I can't catch everything what someone might ever have built. I am interested in that one. (...) (23 years ago, 27-Nov-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | | | | | Re: Using Lego to build weapons? (was Re: The Lego Beretta just won't die) —David Eaton
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| | | | | | | | | | (...) (URL) Lego didn't really "approve", they just gave the artist permission to use the logo before realizing exactly what the project was going to be. Apparently he approached them about modelling a "hospital" initially for an artistic piece he (...) (23 years ago, 27-Nov-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | | | Re: Using Lego to build weapons? (was Re: The Lego Beretta just won't die) —Lindsay Frederick Braun
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| | | | | | | | (...) I'm still kind of confused. I think you're missing a bit of the semantic language in what was said--he's implying that though his Beretta is the vehicle that piqued people's interest in LEGO anew, they've come here and seen *everything*, and (...) (23 years ago, 27-Nov-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | Re: The Lego Beretta just won't die —Tim Romine
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| | | | | | (...) I don't wish to sound antagonistic, at least no more so than you, Carsten, but let me remind you of something: TLC has supported LEGO weapons for quite some time, now. - LEGO broadswords for castle - LEGO greatswords for castle - LEGO spears (...) (23 years ago, 28-Nov-01, to lugnet.cad)
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| | | | | | | | Re: The Lego Beretta just won't die —Ross Crawford
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| | | | | | | (...) I've also mentioned before the more concrete example of the Technic C3PO & storm-trooper. See here: (URL) (23 years ago, 28-Nov-01, to lugnet.cad)
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| | | | | | | | Re: The Lego Beretta just won't die —Michael Horvath
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| | | | | | Even LDraw parts have references to weapons, most notably in the space department. -Mike (...) (23 years ago, 28-Nov-01, to lugnet.cad)
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| | | | | | | | Re: The Lego Beretta just won't die —Austin Greenwood
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| | | | | | Just to put my 2 cents worth in, ANYTHING can be a weapon. You can kill some one with a fork or spoon if you try. any one against guns is nuts. the followers of christ where commanded to "arm them selfs against the enemy". peter carried his sword (...) (23 years ago, 29-Nov-01, to lugnet.cad)
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| | | | | | | | Re: The Lego Beretta just won't die —Tore Eriksson
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| | | | | | | (...) ... (...) That's your opinion. Please keep it off lugnet.cad /Tore (23 years ago, 29-Nov-01, to lugnet.cad)
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| | | | | | | | | Re: The Lego Beretta just won't die —Austin Greenwood
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| | | | | | | | All i can say is i will continue to exercise freedom of speach. (...) (23 years ago, 29-Nov-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | | | Re: The Lego Beretta just won't die —Dave Schuler
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| | | | | | | | (...) Please do so, but understand that Tore is exactly correct in urging you to direct your postings to their proper groups. Despite what some may think, LUGNET is not a homogeneous and publicly-owned forum; it is private property, and those who (...) (23 years ago, 29-Nov-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | Re: The Lego Beretta just won't die —Robert M. Dye
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| | | | | | in article GnKBvv.3nA@lugnet.com, Austin Greenwood at sonyplaystationgames...otmail.com wrote on 11/29/01 6:55 AM: (...) And freedum uv speling. (23 years ago, 29-Nov-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | Re: The Lego Beretta just won't die —Lindsay Frederick Braun
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| | | | | | | (...) Haven't you heard? l33t-bonics is a language now! It's per-teck-ted! I m hear 4 u! *Shudder*. I feel so dirty having typed that. best LFB, Defender of the Sacred Cow^H^H^H Orthodoxy (23 years ago, 29-Nov-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | Re: The Lego Beretta just won't die —Fredrik Glöckner
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| | | | | | (...) 4|\||) fr33|)0|\/| 0f 7yp1|\|9! (Perhaps the point has been taken a bit far now...) Fredrik (23 years ago, 30-Nov-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | Re: The Lego Beretta just won't die —Enrique Durand
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| | | | | (...) WOW! That is fantastic. Since I did not see this the first time around, I am glad you posted this now. As an avid firearms enthusiast (err, gun nut!) who has fired the Beretta on numerous occasions (though I do not yet own one), I applaud your (...) (23 years ago, 27-Nov-01, to lugnet.cad)
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| | | | | | | Re: The Lego Beretta just won't die —Jeff Boen
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| | | | | | (...) Actually, the H&K MP5 is next. They have one at the gun range we go to (fully auto) to be rented. I'm going to jump on that next time we go shoot. No Berettas for rent though... I, sadly, haven't even gotten to shoot one. J (23 years ago, 27-Nov-01, to lugnet.cad)
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| | | | | | | | Re: The Lego Beretta just won't die —Jeremy H. Sproat
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| | | | | | (...) I *almost* did an MP5 in full-auto...but then I looked at the cost of the ammo multiplied by the magazine capacity divided by the rounds per second -- and decided to rent a nice slow semi instead. :-, (...) I've only been able to find one for (...) (23 years ago, 27-Nov-01, to lugnet.cad, lugnet.off-topic.fun)
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| | | | | | | | Re: The Lego Beretta just won't die —Tim Romine
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| | | | | | In lugnet.cad, Jeremy H. Sproat writes: --- HUGE snip --- (...) This was almost certainly the Glock model 27, .40 caliber in a VERY small package. I used to carry one everywhere I went (legally! I had a Washington State Concealed pistol license at (...) (23 years ago, 28-Nov-01, to lugnet.off-topic.fun)
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| | | | | | | | Re: The Lego Beretta just won't die —Jeremy H. Sproat
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| | | | | | (...) That sounds about right. I dunno why the shorter barrel makes the recoil more sharp, but after four clips my entire arm was sore. Which, I suppose, was better than a certain Sig I tried out. It plinked every single ejected casing onto my (...) (23 years ago, 28-Nov-01, to lugnet.off-topic.fun)
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| | | | | | | | Re: The Lego Beretta just won't die —Ross Crawford
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| | | | | | (...) Dunno, but it may be something to do with the increased inertia of the longer barrel - takes more explosion to get it to start rotating. You can see this in the different recoil between pistols & rifles - even though the barrel is off-centre (...) (23 years ago, 28-Nov-01, to lugnet.off-topic.fun)
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| | | | | | | | Re: The Lego Beretta just won't die —Lindsay Frederick Braun
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| | | | | | (...) Nah, I'd bet it has more to do with simple Newtonian laws-- action vs. reaction. The same pistol with a shorter barrel weighs surprisingly less (and the weight distribution is different); ditto pistols vs. rifles. Given the same amount of (...) (23 years ago, 29-Nov-01, to lugnet.off-topic.fun)
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| | | | | | | | Re: The Lego Beretta just won't die —Ross Crawford
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| | | | | | (...) fingers (...) in (...) Due to inertia, as I said. (...) Yep, thats good advice! ROSCO (23 years ago, 29-Nov-01, to lugnet.off-topic.fun)
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| | | | | Re: The Lego Beretta just won't die —Jeremy H. Sproat
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| | | | | (...) World (finances) stepped in... Now it looks like I can not only get one, but it'll cost a lot less too! :-D Awesome design, Jeff. Thank you! Cheers, - jsproat (23 years ago, 27-Nov-01, to lugnet.cad)
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| | | | | Re: The Lego Beretta just won't die —Tim Courtney
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| | | | | "Jeff Boen" <onyx@flash.net> wrote in message news:GnFs97.ECq@lugnet.com... (...) pistol (...) a (...) to (...) LegoCAD (...) So, you're part of the reason LDraw.org's hits went up an average of TEN TIMES what they were previously!! I credit it both (...) (23 years ago, 27-Nov-01, to lugnet.cad)
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| | | | | Re: The Lego Beretta just won't die —Daniel Crichton
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| | | | | "Jeff Boen" <onyx@flash.net> wrote in message news:GnFs97.ECq@lugnet.com... (...) pistol (...) to (...) guns... (...) Hmm, how did you manage to influence me 20 years ago? I used to make toy guns out of LEGO back then, obviously somehow your evil (...) (23 years ago, 27-Nov-01, to lugnet.cad)
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| | | | | Re: The Lego Beretta just won't die —Joel Kuester
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| | | | | (...) wow. I am stunned. Its really cool that so many people seemed interested in your gun design, but I don't know what to say without sounding negative. I don't want to seem rude because it isn't a *bad* design, and I'm not against firearms at (...) (23 years ago, 27-Nov-01, to lugnet.cad)
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| | | | | | | Re: The Lego Beretta just won't die —Geordan Hankinson
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| | | | | | snip (...) :-) (URL) these hardly got any attention at all when I posted them, oh well, maybe if I modeled them to look like a real gun they would have been better appreciated. :-/ Later, -Geordan- (...) (23 years ago, 28-Nov-01, to lugnet.cad)
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| | | | | Re: The Lego Beretta just won't die —Kevin Loch
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| | | | (...) A year ago I built one from your ldraw file. Pictures of it are here: (URL) is also a comparison to a H&K USP 40 (sorry I don't own a baretta but even the HK was amazingly close). KL (23 years ago, 29-Nov-01, to lugnet.cad)
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| | | | | | Re: The Lego Beretta just won't die —Daniel Crichton
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| | | | "Kevin Loch" <kloch@opnsys.com> wrote in message news:GnJoJH.5M3@lugnet.com... (...) passenger jet? I love the way you've taken the 2 chrome wheel sizes and combined them to make the engine core. Dan (23 years ago, 29-Nov-01, to lugnet.cad)
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