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| | | (...) Speaking as an Industrial Designer :-) something as fundamental as an interface paradigm cannot be easily changed once implementation is begun. Not that you have to have all features working on the first try, but if you get halfway through the (...) (26 years ago, 15-Nov-98, to lugnet.cad)
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| | | | | Re: [LDAO] Editor Feedback requested —Larry Pieniazek
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| | | | (...) Well I agree with that. In rereading the stuff I posted on this (at 3 AM saturday) I may have come across as a little argumentative. Steve should be free to do this however he sees fit, it is after all a labor of love. I can still advocate (...) (26 years ago, 16-Nov-98, to lugnet.cad)
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| | | | | | Re: [LDAO] Editor Feedback requested —Steve Bliss
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| | | | | (...) Not 'argumentative', just 'containing strong opinions'. :) (...) Thanks, I will. (...) Go right ahead and advocate. But I'd blast VB for faults other than lacking inheritance. (...) Sort of. Part of the discussion is that some users like (...) (26 years ago, 16-Nov-98, to lugnet.cad)
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| | | | | | | Re: [LDAO] Editor Feedback requested —Bram Lambrecht
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| | | | | | | (...) A few more... To make a new model/sub-model, you have to quit and restart. There are a limited number of views - there should be at least 3 more oblique views: over rear right, under rear right, under front left. (...) i don't mind mouse (...) (26 years ago, 16-Nov-98, to lugnet.cad)
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| | | | | | | | | Re: [LDAO] Editor Feedback requested —Steve Bliss
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| | | | | | | | (...) Good point. (...) Sorry, I have to disagree with you on this -- it should support *any* view. Which is something of a problem for the arrow-key definitions (which way does the part move when I press the <- key?), but not a big one. (...) Given (...) (26 years ago, 17-Nov-98, to lugnet.cad)
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| | | | | | | | | | Re: [LDAO] Editor Feedback requested —Anders Isaksson
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| | | | | | | | Steve Bliss skrev i meddelandet <36516ec1.465277@lugnet.com>... (...) *any* (...) definitions (...) a big (...) is (...) non-interactive, (...) text. (...) You could take a look at BlockCAD, to try out what's good or bad. BC has both a mouse (...) (26 years ago, 17-Nov-98, to lugnet.cad)
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| | | | | | | | | | Re: [LDAO] Editor Feedback requested —Steve Bliss
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| | | | | | | | (...) Good idea. Thanks for the suggestion. (...) Because I'm using LDLite to provide the graphic window. Without modification, LDLite won't tell my editor what the user just clicked on. (...) Yes, that's what I'd do for adding parts from the VEC by (...) (26 years ago, 18-Nov-98, to lugnet.cad)
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| | | | | | | Re: [LDAO] Editor Feedback requested —Todd Lehman
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| | | | | | (...) Can you make maybe a keyboard mapping definition file associating keys or key-combinations to functions? Let users define their own keycaps? Maybe for someone F makes sense for File, and for someone else, Ctrl-F or Ctrl-O. (...) IMO, mouse (...) (26 years ago, 17-Nov-98, to lugnet.cad)
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| | | | | | | | Re: [LDAO] Editor Feedback requested —Steve Bliss
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| | | | | | (...) Yes, that's been requested often enough that I'm planning on including it. Steve (26 years ago, 17-Nov-98, to lugnet.cad)
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| | | | | | Re: [LDAO] Editor Feedback requested —Steve Bliss
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| | | | (...) OK. This is shorting the process, and completely unrealistic given my current goals and contraints, but I imagine a very good approach for a modeling interface would be like the following. Make the UI look like a set of instructions. Each step (...) (26 years ago, 17-Nov-98, to lugnet.cad)
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| | | | | | Re: [LDAO] Editor Feedback requested —Karim Nassar
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| | | | (...) Problem I would have with this is that I don't always (actually hardly ever) insert steps in the model as I build it. I usually enter in the whole thing and then figure out where the steps should go. this interface paradigm would be (...) (26 years ago, 17-Nov-98, to lugnet.cad)
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| | | | | | Re: [LDAO] Editor Feedback requested —Steve Bliss
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| | | | (...) Does that mean the editor should auto-insert steps? Steve (26 years ago, 18-Nov-98, to lugnet.cad)
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| | | | | | Re: [LDAO] Editor Feedback requested —Jacob Sparre Andersen
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| | | | (...) Karim Nassar commented: (...) And then Steve asked: (...) I don't think so. If you want to use the instructions paradigm, then the proper solution is most likely to let the user have an option for handling every line as a separate step. It (...) (26 years ago, 18-Nov-98, to lugnet.cad)
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| | | | | | Re: [LDAO] Editor Feedback requested —Steve Bliss
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| | | | (...) Wow. That could mean hundreds of step-images, for large models at least. (...) True. I can think of two approaches of the top of my head (use math to do 3D hit-testing, or build a part-bitmap during rendering, and lookup the clicked pixel in (...) (26 years ago, 19-Nov-98, to lugnet.cad)
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| | | | | | Re: [LDAO] Editor Feedback requested —Karim Nassar
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| | | | | (...) That's why I'd hesitate to use the "instructions" paradigm... I'm quite partial to the List/line# interface of LEdit. IMHO it is intuitive and easy to visualize. It seems to me that creating instructions sheets are the end result... so in (...) (26 years ago, 19-Nov-98, to lugnet.cad)
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| | | | | | Re: [LDAO] Editor Feedback requested —Jacob Sparre Andersen
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| | | | | (...) Yes, but I would probably not keep more images at a time than what's needed to fill the screen/window. (...) I was thinking of a part-bitmap. I think 3D hit-testing is slower, even counting the time to make the part-bitmap. | Now, can someone (...) (26 years ago, 20-Nov-98, to lugnet.cad)
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| | | | | | | Re: [LDAO] Editor Feedback requested —Steve Bliss
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| | | | | | (...) Right. Or keep just a few more off-screen images, for interactive performance. If there was a set of maps (color, z-buffer and part) for each element, these could be quickly combined into the display images. (...) Probably. There's not a large (...) (26 years ago, 20-Nov-98, to lugnet.cad)
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| | | | | | | | Re: [LDAO] Editor Feedback requested —Jacob Sparre Andersen
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| | | | | | (...) You seem to be reading my mind. :-) (...) Yes, but we would have to add information about how the parts stick together to the files. Play well, Jacob ---...--- -- E-mail: Jacob.Sparre.Andersen@risoe.dk -- -- Web...: <URL:(URL) -- ---...--- (...) (26 years ago, 20-Nov-98, to lugnet.cad)
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| | | | | | | | Re: [LDAO] Editor Feedback requested —Paul Gyugyi
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| | | | | | | One thing that would be easy to do in ldlite is store a mapping from each pixel to the line number of the top-level .dat file. With a (as-yet-non-existant) tight integration between LDAO and LDlite, a mouse click in the ldlite window could cause the (...) (26 years ago, 20-Nov-98, to lugnet.cad)
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| | | | | | | | | Re: [LDAO] Editor Feedback requested —Steve Bliss
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| | | | | | | | (...) Yes, that's what Jacob and I are saying. (...) You said it! (...) Could the LDLite/LDAO combo be intelligent enough to know when one or pieces has been hidden, and auto-insert a step? If the user has enabled such behavior, of course. (...) (...) (26 years ago, 20-Nov-98, to lugnet.cad)
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| | | | | | | | Re: [LDAO] Editor Feedback requested —Steve Bliss
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| | | | | | (...) Having such piece-based local maps would also help speed up re-rendering the current step's image when a part is modified. :) Especially if we have that optimized 3D hit-testing logic. Because we'd only want to rebuild the invalidated section (...) (26 years ago, 20-Nov-98, to lugnet.cad)
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| | | | | | | | Re: [LDAO] Editor Feedback requested —Steve Bliss
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| | | | | | (...) In the above, I meant Mr. *McDonald*. Apologies to both Toms. Steve (26 years ago, 23-Nov-98, to lugnet.cad)
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| | | | | | Re: [LDAO] Editor Feedback requested —Bram Lambrecht
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| | | | (...) I'd say there are infinitely many ways to attach two parts - rotations and sliding a plate between a row of studs are two infinites. I don't know how you'd handle this- maybe a snap connection with an override capability? (...) (26 years ago, 20-Nov-98, to lugnet.cad)
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| | | | | | Re: [LDAO] Editor Feedback requested —Steve Bliss
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| | | | (...) Make the "hotspot" for the connection a line, and allow the pieces to slide along the line. For rods (like flagpoles), the "hotspot" would also allow rotation. Some sliding connections would allow pieces to slide off the end (like an axle (...) (26 years ago, 23-Nov-98, to lugnet.cad)
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