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| | | (...) think (...) Also, you could just mirror the current page that us seasoned veterans use to see what's going on, and we could just come up like normal. Well, we'll have to change our bookmarked link, but that would be it. How much space would (...) (25 years ago, 2-Mar-00, to lugnet.admin.general)
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| | | | | Re: Lugnet for beginners —Todd Lehman
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| | | | (...) Which page is that? Do you mean the traffic page? (URL) and we could just come up like normal. Come up like normal? (...) You lost me here. :) What bookmarked link? (...) Oh, don't worry about space on the server. Could easily allocate 100 MB (...) (25 years ago, 2-Mar-00, to lugnet.admin.general)
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| | | | | | Re: Lugnet for beginners —Richard W. Schamus
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| | | | | Sorry Todd. Let me try again. Supposition: Change the first/topmost page of www.lugnet.com to something that beginners might not be so daunted by, as Kevin Salm suggests, and Tony Priestman and Bram Lambrecht concer with. You decide that this is (...) (25 years ago, 2-Mar-00, to lugnet.admin.general)
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| | | | | | | Re: Lugnet for beginners —Todd Lehman
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| | | | | | (...) OK, ya, now I grok what you're saying. Yah, we plan to do just that -- Suzanne has a few nice designs drawn up too, it's just a matter of making it happen. One thing we want to do is make CLSotW, the Spotlight stuff, and new member notices a (...) (25 years ago, 2-Mar-00, to lugnet.admin.general)
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| | | | | | | | Re: Lugnet for beginners —Richard W. Schamus
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| | | | | | (...) <snip> (...) Great, I just didn't want that idea to get lost in the mad rush to do something good less experiance people. (Grok, now there's a word I haven't heard a "normal" person use. I'm glad you do grok.) Rich -- Have Fun! C-Ya! Legoman34 (...) (25 years ago, 2-Mar-00, to lugnet.admin.general)
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| | | | | | Re: Lugnet for beginners —Shiri Dori
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| | | | (...) to (...) He meant the opening page, www.lugnet.com. This was in response to Bram's suggestion of changing the homepage, and I quote: "Although it might make life a little more difficult for seasoned users, I think a simpler entry page might be (...) (25 years ago, 2-Mar-00, to lugnet.admin.general)
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| | | | | | Re: Lugnet for beginners —Todd Lehman
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| | | | | (...) OK, that's what threw me. When the homepage splits into two different display venues, it'll still have one URL. --Todd (25 years ago, 2-Mar-00, to lugnet.admin.general)
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| | | | | | | Re: Lugnet for beginners —Shiri Dori
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| | | | | | (...) Now *you* lost *me*. :-) -Shiri (25 years ago, 2-Mar-00, to lugnet.admin.general)
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| | | | | | | | Re: Lugnet for beginners —Todd Lehman
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| | | | | | (...) One URL: (URL) and per-user preferences on how to display that page -- kinda like a "My LUGNET" kind of thing. --Todd (25 years ago, 2-Mar-00, to lugnet.admin.general)
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| | | | | | | | Re: Lugnet for beginners —Jeremy H. Sproat
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| | | | | | (...) Like with channels and RSS and stuff? (please say yes please say yes) Any chance that the Spotlight will be exposed in RSS format? Cheers, - jsproat (25 years ago, 2-Mar-00, to lugnet.admin.general)
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| | | | | | | | Re: Lugnet for beginners —Todd Lehman
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| | | | | | | (...) Wherefinds one documents on what is RSS? --Todd (25 years ago, 2-Mar-00, to lugnet.admin.general)
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| | | | | | | | | Re: Lugnet for beginners —Jeremy H. Sproat
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| | | | | | | | (...) www.perl.com recently had an article on it: (URL) RSS is an XML file served by http which contains channel information; the RSS client (e.g. slashdot.org, my.netscape.com, my.yahoo.com, etc.) slurps it and spews out HTML on the end-user's (...) (25 years ago, 2-Mar-00, to lugnet.admin.general)
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| | | | | | | | | | Re: Lugnet for beginners —Todd Lehman
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| | | | | | | | (...) I see. It's a lot like RDF then. Neat-o. --Todd (25 years ago, 2-Mar-00, to lugnet.admin.general)
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| | | | | | | | RSS output format (was: Re: Lugnet for beginners) —Todd Lehman
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| | | | | | | (...) If the Spotlight data were in an easy-to-munge format, it would be pretty straightforward, ya, but it actually grew up out of a plaintext format. Here's an example of today's page in its raw form that I edit in a browser window edit box: (URL) (...) (25 years ago, 2-Mar-00, to lugnet.admin.general)
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| | | | | | | | | Re: RSS output format (was: Re: Lugnet for beginners) —Todd Lehman
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| | | | | | | | (...) In other words, back when the Spotlight pages were begun, it was very easy to justify trying that out, because it literally was zero programming to implement it -- it's just one particular application of the plaintext markup format I was (...) (25 years ago, 2-Mar-00, to lugnet.admin.general)
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| | | | | | | | | | Re: RSS output format (was: Re: Lugnet for beginners) —Todd Lehman
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| | | | | | | | (...) Taking this RSS/Channels thing a step further, here's a related possibility which applies the RSS suggestion to a more general problem domain: First, I'd like to scrap the current Spotlight (after a one-time data conversion to a new format, (...) (25 years ago, 3-Mar-00, to lugnet.admin.general)
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| | | | | | | | | | Re: RSS output format (was: Re: Lugnet for beginners) —Todd Lehman
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| | | | | | | | | (...) Wait -- maybe instead of individual objects in the list having the flag on an object-by-object basis, maybe the lists themselves should have a list- global flag. That way, instead of each member having a single channel with some of the items (...) (25 years ago, 3-Mar-00, to lugnet.admin.general)
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| | | | | | | | | | | Re: RSS output format (was: Re: Lugnet for beginners) —Todd Lehman
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| | | | | | | | | | | (...) ^^^^^^^ Er, by "freebie" I mean with no or relatively no extra coding . . . --Todd (25 years ago, 3-Mar-00, to lugnet.admin.general)
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| | | | | | | | | | | Re: RSS output format (was: Re: Lugnet for beginners) —Ben Roller
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| | | | | | | | | | | (...) I understood (and enjoyed greatly) what you were saying until there. I don't see it, could you please explain what you're thinking there? Sooo, we'll see all of this by say next Friday? ;) Ben Roller (25 years ago, 3-Mar-00, to lugnet.admin.general)
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | Re: RSS output format (was: Re: Lugnet for beginners) —Todd Lehman
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| | | | | | | | | | | | (...) Here ya go: (URL) (25 years ago, 3-Mar-00, to lugnet.admin.general)
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | Re: RSS output format (was: Re: Lugnet for beginners) —Shiri Dori
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| | | | | | | | | | | | (...) don't (...) Oh... I think I get it now... So every person will have: *a Private channel that tracks groups or posts by your request. Only you can can see what these are. *A Public channel that also tracks groups or posts, but anyone can check (...) (25 years ago, 6-Mar-00, to lugnet.admin.general)
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| | | | | | | | | | | Re: RSS output format (was: Re: Lugnet for beginners) —Todd Lehman
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| | | | | | | | | | (...) oh. What on earth do personal channels (or weblogs, for that matter) have to do with guestbooks? Well, they're almost exactly the same thing. The only difference, other than the minutiae of formatting, is who can read entries and who can write (...) (25 years ago, 3-Mar-00, to lugnet.admin.general)
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| | | | | | | | | | Re: RSS output format (was: Re: Lugnet for beginners) —Rick Kujawa
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| | | | | | | | | | | Re: RSS output format (was: Re: Lugnet for beginners) —Todd Lehman
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| | | | | | | | | | | (...) Actually, it -is- simple -- very simple -- I just gave a complicated programmergeek description, that's all. --Todd (25 years ago, 3-Mar-00, to lugnet.admin.general)
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | Re: RSS output format (was: Re: Lugnet for beginners) —Ben Roller
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| | | | | | | | | | | | (...) And, I'd assume that there would be a generic or default setting for people who want to keep it really simple, right? Ben Roller (25 years ago, 3-Mar-00, to lugnet.admin.general)
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | Re: RSS output format (was: Re: Lugnet for beginners) —Todd Lehman
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| | | | | | | | | | | Re: RSS output format (was: Re: Lugnet for beginners) —Todd Lehman
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| | | | | | | | | | | | Re: RSS output format (was: Re: Lugnet for beginners) —Rick Kujawa
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| | | | | | | | | | (...) Yeah but can you get there from here? Because remember: no matter where you go...there you are. Sounds kinda Zeny. Excuse the smart ass postclub response. (25 years ago, 3-Mar-00, to lugnet.admin.general)
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| | | | | | | | | | Re: RSS output format (was: Re: Lugnet for beginners) —James Brown
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| | | | | | | | LUGNET Channels (Was: Lugnet for beginners) —Jeremy H. Sproat
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| | | | | | (...) display (...) Another data item which would lend itself well to this is the links sidebar for each newsgroup page. In fact, just about any possible piece of data on LUGNET can be served into a channel -- member pages, thread info, even search (...) (25 years ago, 6-Mar-00, to lugnet.admin.general)
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| | | | | | | | Re: LUGNET Channels (Was: Lugnet for beginners) —Todd Lehman
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| | | | | | (...) Wha?! You've seen CGI-generated pages from www.lugnet.com get *cached*? That shouldn't be happening... Could you provide a sample URL and I'll have a look through the httpd logs. --Todd (25 years ago, 6-Mar-00, to lugnet.admin.general)
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| | | | | | | | Re: LUGNET Channels (Was: Lugnet for beginners) —Dan Boger
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| | | | | | | (...) well, I don't think that's what Jeremy meant, but lugnet's home page isn't set to expire immediatly - if you hit back on your browser to return to it, you get the old version (what you saw when you were there) and not the current one... :) Dan (25 years ago, 6-Mar-00, to lugnet.admin.general)
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| | | | | | | | | Re: LUGNET Channels (Was: Lugnet for beginners) —Todd Lehman
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| | | | | | | | (...) Oh, yes, that kind of caching. That kind of caching _should_ be happening, yes. If that's what Jeremy's seeing, then that's the intended behavior (just like any other static .html page). Oops, I snipped too much of what Jeremy wrote when I (...) (25 years ago, 6-Mar-00, to lugnet.admin.general)
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| | | | | | | | | | Re: LUGNET Channels (Was: Lugnet for beginners) —Jeremy H. Sproat
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| | | | | | | | (...) Okay, I'm confused. Please see my response at (URL) refers to a conversation we had last May: (URL) particular, I'm confused about "transparent caching", which I understood to be a function on LUGNET, rather than a proxy or the client. Cheers, (...) (25 years ago, 6-Mar-00, to lugnet.admin.general)
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| | | | | | | | | | Re: LUGNET Channels (Was: Lugnet for beginners) —Todd Lehman
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| | | | | | | | (...) OH, I see what you mean now. No, the "transparent caching" (meaning internal intermedia results only -- not external results) is not a function of the server. It could be, and probably someday will be (if it needs to be), but it isn't that way (...) (25 years ago, 6-Mar-00, to lugnet.admin.general)
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| | | | | | | | | | Re: LUGNET Channels (Was: Lugnet for beginners) —Jeremy H. Sproat
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| | | | | | | | | (...) Okay, cool! Thanks for clearing that up for me. Cheers, - jsproat (25 years ago, 6-Mar-00, to lugnet.admin.general)
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| | | | | | | | | | Re: LUGNET Channels (Was: Lugnet for beginners) —Todd Lehman
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| | | | | | | | (...) That should be "intermediate," not "intermedia." :-p --Todd (25 years ago, 6-Mar-00, to lugnet.admin.general)
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| | | | | | | | Re: LUGNET Channels (Was: Lugnet for beginners) —Jeremy H. Sproat
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| | | | | | (...) Erm, no I haven't *seen* them cached, just remembering this conversation: (URL) - jsproat (25 years ago, 6-Mar-00, to lugnet.admin.general)
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| | | | | | | | Re: LUGNET Channels (Was: Lugnet for beginners) —Jeremy H. Sproat
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| | | | | | (...) Arg. I did say that I saw it. Figure of speech, and all that... Cheers, - jsproat (25 years ago, 6-Mar-00, to lugnet.admin.general)
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| | | | | | Re: Lugnet for beginners —Bram Lambrecht
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| | | | (...) Funny, I don't have a bookmark to LUGNET :) It's so easy to type, and netscape fills in the rest after I type www.l, which is faster than searching through bookmarks. --Bram (25 years ago, 2-Mar-00, to lugnet.admin.general)
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| | | | | | Re: Lugnet for beginners —Richard W. Schamus
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| | | | | (...) Yes, well, it comes up after I get to the "L" on I.E. too, but you know what I mean. Something that we grissly veterans are used to. Rich -- Have Fun! C-Ya! Legoman34 ***** Legoman34 (Richard W. Schamus)... (No, I don't work for TLC, but I (...) (25 years ago, 2-Mar-00, to lugnet.admin.general)
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| | | | | | Re: Lugnet for beginners —Alan Gerber
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| | | | | (...) I have Lugnet as the home button. Alan (25 years ago, 2-Mar-00, to lugnet.admin.general)
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| | | | | | Re: Lugnet for beginners —Shiri Dori
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| | | | (...) Well, I don't have a bookmark - I have a link at the top of my page, in the 'links' feature that IE has. Very useful... -Shiri (25 years ago, 2-Mar-00, to lugnet.admin.general)
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| | | | | | Re: Lugnet for beginners —Todd Lehman
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| | | | (...) Excellent! I didn't know Internet Exploiter had that. Here's one thing I've been experimenting with in Netscrape Navigator... (2 URLs) close to that level of flexibility does MSIE come? --Todd (25 years ago, 2-Mar-00, to lugnet.admin.general)
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| | | | | | Re: Lugnet for beginners —Robert Farver
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| | | | | (...) Same functionality. Only you can also put the links bar in your taskbar (It's the Links selection under toolbars). You can also put your address bar in the taskbar. With these options, you can go to your bookmarks even if your browser isn't (...) (25 years ago, 2-Mar-00, to lugnet.admin.general)
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| | | | | | | Re: Lugnet for beginners —Dan Boger
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| | | | | | On Thu, 2 Mar 2000 04:27:44 GMT Rob Farver <rfarver@rcn.com> wrote concerning 'Re: Lugnet for beginners': (...) isn't that like saving a link on the desktop, or on the taskbar launcher? Dan (25 years ago, 2-Mar-00, to lugnet.admin.general)
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| | | | | | | | Re: Lugnet for beginners —Robert Farver
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| | | | | | Re: Lugnet for beginners —Larry Pieniazek
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| | | | (...) You know, I know you don't like these tools. But they *are* trademarked names, and I feel you're diluting the trademark when you make fun of them. You seem to do it just about every time too. Just something to ponder. I work for a product (...) (25 years ago, 10-Mar-00, to lugnet.admin.general)
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| | | | | | Re: Lugnet for beginners —Kevin Loch
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| | | | | | Re: Lugnet for beginners —Eric Joslin
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| | | | | Moved to off-topic.debate (...) Huh? Maybe there's some facet of trademark law I'm unfamiliar with, but how is *discussing* a product, even in negative terms, a trademark dilution? Are you seriously suggesting that saying something negative (even as (...) (25 years ago, 10-Mar-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | Re: Lugnet for beginners —James Brown
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| | | | | | | (...) In the same way that calling Lego brand building blocks "legos" is trademark dilution. In the same way that calling facial tissue "Kleenex" is. Well, not precisely the same, because those usages probably aren't negative, just dilutive, but (...) (25 years ago, 10-Mar-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | Re: Lugnet for beginners —Erik Olson
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| | | | | | | (...) Maybe it is this sort of thing that does dilute trademarks, like parents telling their kids to run off and play with legos. Lego can try to cure the problem by asking us to stop using their name that way (they really tried back around 1980.) (...) (25 years ago, 10-Mar-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | (...) The parallel is that it's hypocritical for someone to openly bastardize other product names and not expect others to bastardize one's own names, or at least to preach non-bastardization of one's own names while openly bastardizing other names. (...) (25 years ago, 10-Mar-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | | Re: tm's and web browsers —Dan Boger
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| | | | | | | | On Fri, 10 Mar 2000 18:13:04 GMT Todd Lehman <lehman@javanet.com> wrote concerning 'tm's and web browsers': (...) after having to killall netscape once too many, I decided to try out mozilla - and so far, I do kinda like it... I think it's faster (...) (25 years ago, 10-Mar-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | Definitely NOT saying it's illegal. I agree with K that it's covered by fair use, no doubt. So you can spin that thread back down. :-) But what I was saying was that Todd, as a trademark holder himself, (remember, it's Lugnet(TM)), might not like it (...) (25 years ago, 10-Mar-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | Re: Lugnet for beginners —Todd Lehman
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| | | | (...) Point well taken. --Todd (25 years ago, 10-Mar-00, to lugnet.admin.general)
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