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Trust: was Re: LUGNET members association
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lugnet.admin.general
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Mon, 25 Apr 2005 16:02:52 GMT
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In lugnet.admin.general, Leonard Hoffman wrote:
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In lugnet.admin.general, Ross Crawford wrote:
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In lugnet.admin.general, Larry Pieniazek wrote:
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In lugnet.admin.general, Ross Crawford wrote:
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I think it does. If there was total trust, we wouldn’t require a policy
document.
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And THAT’S the crux of why LUGNET is at least partly broken. The admins
don’t trust (some of) the users and (some of) the users (not necessarily
the same ones) don’t trust the admins.
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OK let me put it another way, if it’s worth creating a P&P doc, it’s worth
assuring the users they will be listened to.
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Yeah, I don’t believe this. The LPRV is a great example. The Admins
gathered a group of people and said, we trust you guys! We want to know what
you think! And then, seemingly out of nowhere, they started accusing the
Admins of creating a rubber stamp committee.
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You told us you wanted us to wordsmith it and fix syntax and gramatical errors.
When I first started proposing ideas that were not in the document, a member of
LTT started arguing with me. In an attempt to look at each case, I applied *my*
perception of the Lenny/Larry/Chris issue, when Larry started tellimg me I was
talking about the wrong stuff.
If is looks like a rubberstamp, smells like a rubberstamp, feels like a
rubberstamp, I guess it could be a rubber stamp.
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If you don’t trust me, then no matter HOW many times I say “I want to listen”
- you will always think I’m lying to you.. or being sarcastic or whatever.
I’ve seen it happen quite a few times.
This is an excellent example
- Scott accuses me of being insincere when I was trying to reassure. What
then?
-Lenny
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So, as you would have it, no one can talk about their own personal perception of
a situation if it contracticts with the LTT’s perception of the event.
You’ve never, ever answered the question of how you justify the evidence you
provided as as a violation of the ToU. It looks very suspicious to me and other
people.
Is wishing that an LTT member quit, a violation of ToU? Show me where.
I wish Larry was no longer an Admin. I think LUGNET could be a much warmer and
inviting place. Larry’s decisions are, the majority of the time, OK, but his
implementation leaves much to be desired most of the time. It puts people off
and drives them away: Willy Tschager, Paul (who Larry alread pointed out as an
example.)
Kevin
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