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Subject:	Re: LUGNET members association
Newsgroups:	lugnet.admin.general, lugnet.admin.suggestions
Date:	Mon, 25 Apr 2005 15:02:06 GMT
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In lugnet.admin.general, Larry Pieniazek wrote:

In lugnet.admin.general, Leonard Hoffman wrote:

In lugnet.admin.general, Ross Crawford wrote:

In lugnet.admin.general, Larry Pieniazek wrote:

In lugnet.admin.general, Ross Crawford wrote:

I think it does. If there was total trust, we wouldn’t require a policy document.

And THAT’S the crux of why LUGNET is at least partly broken. The admins don’t trust (some of) the users and (some of) the users (not necessarily the same ones) don’t trust the admins.

OK let me put it another way, if it’s worth creating a P&P doc, it’s worth assuring the users they will be listened to.

Yeah, I don’t believe this. The LPRV is a great example. The Admins gathered a group of people and said, we trust you guys! We want to know what you think! And then, seemingly out of nowhere, they started accusing the Admins of creating a rubber stamp committee.

If you don’t trust me, then no matter HOW many times I say “I want to listen” - you will always think I’m lying to you.. or being sarcastic or whatever. I’ve seen it happen quite a few times. This is an excellent example - Scott accuses me of being insincere when I was trying to reassure. What then?

Well, as long as it was Scott, it was easy enough to disregard. It was just Scott, after all, noted button pusher.

But when we get this mistrust from people we used to respect before they wigged out, or people we still do want to respect for their contributions, despite their personal attacks, that’s more serious, isn’t it?

Is saying someone wigged out a personal attack? Is it beaving to a different standard? DOesn’t sound like you are unpholdin’ to you own rules. You commiteed to do better.

Kevin

Message has 2 Replies:

		Re: LUGNET members association
(...) Sounds like the double standard again. I was called to town for asking users to respect Admins, and everyone said there is no way to police whether people respect us or not. And now you're trying to call Larry out because he doesn't respect (...) (20 years ago, 25-Apr-05, to lugnet.admin.general, lugnet.admin.suggestions, FTX)

		Re: LUGNET members association
(...) Well, Lenny, Larry and I have had some conversations, especially when the LPRV was first formed, and he acknowledged that he felt that Admins should be held to a higher standard hat on, or hat off. So Larry beleives there should be a double (...) (20 years ago, 25-Apr-05, to lugnet.admin.general, lugnet.admin.suggestions, FTX)

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		Re: LUGNET members association
(...) Well, as long as it was Scott, it was easy enough to disregard. It was just Scott, after all, noted button pusher. But when we get this mistrust from people we used to respect before they wigged out, or people we still do want to respect for (...) (20 years ago, 25-Apr-05, to lugnet.admin.general, lugnet.admin.suggestions, FTX)

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