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In lugnet.admin.general, Ross Crawford wrote:
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In lugnet.admin.general, Larry Pieniazek wrote:
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In lugnet.admin.general, Ross Crawford wrote:
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I think it does. If there was total trust, we wouldnt require a policy
document.
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And THATS the crux of why LUGNET is at least partly broken. The admins dont
trust (some of) the users and (some of) the users (not necessarily the same
ones) dont trust the admins.
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OK let me put it another way, if its worth creating a P&P doc, its worth
assuring the users they will be listened to.
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Yeah, I dont believe this. The LPRV is a great example. The Admins gathered a
group of people and said, we trust you guys! We want to know what you think!
And then, seemingly out of nowhere, they started accusing the Admins of creating
a rubber stamp committee.
If you dont trust me, then no matter HOW many times I say I want to listen -
you will always think Im lying to you.. or being sarcastic or whatever. Ive
seen it happen quite a few times.
This is an excellent example -
Scott accuses me of being insincere when I was trying to reassure. What then?
-Lenny
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