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In lugnet.admin.general, Kevin L. Clague wrote:
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In lugnet.admin.general, Larry Pieniazek wrote:
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In lugnet.admin.general, Leonard Hoffman wrote:
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In lugnet.admin.general, Ross Crawford wrote:
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In lugnet.admin.general, Larry Pieniazek wrote:
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In lugnet.admin.general, Ross Crawford wrote:
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I think it does. If there was total trust, we wouldn’t require a policy
document.
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And THAT’S the crux of why LUGNET is at least partly broken. The admins
don’t trust (some of) the users and (some of) the users (not necessarily
the same ones) don’t trust the admins.
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OK let me put it another way, if it’s worth creating a P&P doc, it’s worth
assuring the users they will be listened to.
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Yeah, I don’t believe this. The LPRV is a great example. The Admins
gathered a group of people and said, we trust you guys! We want to know
what you think! And then, seemingly out of nowhere, they started accusing
the Admins of creating a rubber stamp committee.
If you don’t trust me, then no matter HOW many times I say “I want to
listen” - you will always think I’m lying to you.. or being sarcastic or
whatever. I’ve seen it happen quite a few times.
This is an excellent
example - Scott accuses me of being insincere when I was trying to
reassure. What then?
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Well, as long as it was Scott, it was easy enough to disregard. It was just
Scott, after all, noted button pusher.
But when we get this mistrust from people we used to respect before they
wigged out, or people we still do want to respect for their contributions,
despite their personal attacks, that’s more serious, isn’t it?
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Is saying someone wigged out a personal attack? Is it beaving to a different
standard? DOesn’t sound like you are unpholdin’ to you own rules. You
commiteed to do better.
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Sounds like the double standard again. I was called to town for asking users to
respect Admins, and everyone said there is no way to police whether people
respect us or not. And now you’re trying to call Larry out because he doesn’t
respect some people?
Larry endeavors to TREAT everyone with respect, but whether he really respects
them or not is his business. Isn’t that so? Or are you arguing that Admins
have expectations that go above and beyond what is expected of a user?
I think that saying some members (unnamed) have ‘wigged out’ is just as fair as
some members calling Larry an ‘ass.’ What’s good for the goose...
-Lenny
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