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In lugnet.admin.general, Larry Pieniazek wrote:
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> Granted, there are lessons that can be taken, but endless debate (about specific
> reviewing actions) has proven (in many many other places, not just here) not to
> be useful. So when, for example, some discussion of a reviewing action occurs,
> at some point you are going to see an admin remind the community that the
> decision was taken and that decision can't be undone and the debate isn't going
> to change the fact that it was decided that way in the past because you can't
> change the past.
>
> Do you agree that's valid?
I'm not sure exactly which part you're referring to so I'll just look at the
last paragraph.
I agree debate is not going to change the initial decision, but it CAN point out
fallacies in the decision process that could lead ANOTHER decision that (at
least partially) undoes the initial decision, and hopefully reduces the chance
of a similar incorrect decisions in the future.
> "We are not going to debate" might not be the best phrasing but that's the
> important idea to convey. How would you phrase it differently?
How about "Any further debate will not change the original decision, but may, if
a convincing argument is put, cause the Administration to consider actions which
may (fully or partially) undo a previous decision"?
That does not specify whether or not Admins will take part in any debate, but
does make it plain that arguments arising from admin decisions will always be
considered. The current wording does not give any such assurance.
ROSCO
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