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| | | | | Re: New poll: sexuality and Lugnet —Terry Prosper
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| | | | | (...) How about teens who are not sexually active yet? Or maybe people who simply never had a lover yet. Maybe even those religious zealot who "preserve" themselves for the "right" person? What you're saying, John, is that you were NOT hetero until (...) (20 years ago, 19-Sep-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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| | | | | | | Re: New poll: sexuality and Lugnet —John Neal
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| | | | | | (...) No, you moron, I'm simply asking a question. JOHN (20 years ago, 19-Sep-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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| | | | | | | | Re: New poll: sexuality and Lugnet — Tim Courtney
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| | | | | | (...) John, please tone down your comments a bit. It's OK to clarify what your intent was, its not OK to hurl a pejorative remark like that. Thanks. -Tim (20 years ago, 19-Sep-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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| | | | | | | | Re: New poll: sexuality and Lugnet —John Neal
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| | | | | | (...) Ahh, pejorative remarks like being called "*sick*"? Gotcha. JOHN (20 years ago, 19-Sep-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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| | | | | | | | Re: New poll: sexuality and Lugnet — Tim Courtney
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| | | | | | (...) I strongly considered correcting Terry, but noted that he wasn't calling you sick, rather your definition sick. Nevertheless, his tone does concern me and other LUGNET admins and we're keeping a close eye on his posts too [1]. Terry -- please (...) (20 years ago, 19-Sep-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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| | | | | | | | Re: New poll: sexuality and Lugnet —John Neal
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| | | | | | (...) What definition are you talking about?? I was simply asking a question and he posts, puts words into my mouth and then calls it *sick*. Needless to say I didn't appreciate his tangental interruption into an area I had had a genuine interest to (...) (20 years ago, 19-Sep-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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| | | | | | | | Re: New poll: sexuality and Lugnet —Christopher L. Weeks
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| | | | | | (...) Isn't that pretty much exactly what you did to be WRT universal bisexuality? As a note, John, you have called me an idiot and stupid a number of times over the past few months and while I consider it crass, I let it go each time because I hope (...) (20 years ago, 20-Sep-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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| | | | | Re: New poll: sexuality and Lugnet —Pete White
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| | | | | (...) "What does made someone gay?". Deer, deer, the buck stops here. (20 years ago, 19-Sep-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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| | | | | Re: New poll: sexuality and Lugnet —Ross Crawford
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| | | | | (...) No thats an effect, not a cause. (...) I would tend to think they're more likely to consider themselves bi, or a repressed gay that's been trying out hetero for a while (for whatever reason). ROSCO (20 years ago, 19-Sep-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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| | | | | Re: New poll: sexuality and Lugnet —Kevin Wilson
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| | | | | John wrote in message ... (...) That (...) Merely (...) Basically, yes. But some people distinguish between homosexual (attracted to the same sex) and gay (attracted to the same sex and itentifying themselves as part of the gay community). (...) Not (...) (20 years ago, 19-Sep-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | Re: New poll: sexuality and Lugnet —John Neal
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| | | | | | | (...) Gay community, meaning G/L/B/T? (...) A personal who grows up heterosexual, and, for whatever reason, decides to forsake that and lead a gay lifestyle. I'm assuming this is possible-- that they weren't just repressing their gayness until a (...) (20 years ago, 20-Sep-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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| | | | | | | | | Re: New poll: sexuality and Lugnet —David Laswell
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| | | | | | | | | (...) I wouldn't count on it. I had a friend in college who was very close to getting married when he finally stopped fooling himself with delusions of heterosexuality. A lot of our mutual friends were about as surprised as they are when they see (...) (20 years ago, 20-Sep-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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| | | | | | | | | Re: New poll: sexuality and Lugnet —Kevin Wilson
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| | | | | | | | (...) Yes, for purposes of this discussion, GLBT. Gay is confusing because although many non-GLBT people use it to cover gays AND lesbians (though probably not TG people), within the community it usually means specifically gay men. That's why the L (...) (20 years ago, 20-Sep-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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| | | | | | | | | | Re: New poll: sexuality and Lugnet —John Neal
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| | | | | | | | (...) Ahem, no:-) The example I had in mind was actually a heterosexual women who had an abusive husband who then turned to lesbianism. JOHN (20 years ago, 20-Sep-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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| | | | | | | | | | Re: New poll: sexuality and Lugnet —John Neal
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| | | | | | | | (...) Er, the women turned to lesbianism, not the abusive husband:-/ :-) (20 years ago, 20-Sep-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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| | | | | | | | | | Re: New poll: sexuality and Lugnet —Todd Lehman
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| | | | | | | | (...) John, are you subliminally thinking of turning lesbian? Come on, fess up buddy. (20 years ago, 20-Sep-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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| | | | | | | | | | Re: New poll: sexuality and Lugnet —John Neal
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| | | | | | | | (...) Dude, the abusive husband is just a friend of my friend, I swear! ;-) JOHN (20 years ago, 20-Sep-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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| | | | | | | | | | Re: New poll: sexuality and Lugnet —Rob Hendrix
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| | | | | | | | Man, this feels like such a better place to talk about non lego related issues! I suggest all .people groups move here! "John" <John@TCLTC.org> wrote in message news:I4Bs8n.zsw@lugnet.com... (...) (20 years ago, 21-Sep-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | Re: New poll: sexuality and Lugnet —Larry Pieniazek
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| | | | | | (...) Google for "Metrosexual". Not "swishy", but perhaps hitting some of the stereotypes (well groomed, fit and trim, with it trendwise, fashionably dressed, etc...) that people have (c.f. _Queer Eye for the Straight Guy_ which clearly (seems to, (...) (20 years ago, 20-Sep-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | Re: New poll: sexuality and Lugnet —Kevin Wilson
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| | | | | | (...) Ok, got it. I had come across that term before but didn't class it as "buying into the gay lifestyle". For one thing, that particular group of behaviours (well groomed, fit and trim, with it trendwise, fashionably dressed etc) plays off only (...) (20 years ago, 20-Sep-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | Re: New poll: sexuality and Lugnet —Christopher L. Weeks
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| | | | | | (...) Yeah, the few gay men that I've been pretty close friends with were all "bears" if I understand the terminology -- not at all swishy. I assumed John meant something like this: I'm straight. I decide to have e.g. anal sex with a man. Now, in (...) (20 years ago, 20-Sep-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | Re: New poll: sexuality and Lugnet —David Laswell
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| | | | | (...) We can't be sure, but the fact that non-human animals have demonstrated homosexual preferences suggests that it could very well be genetic for many people. For others it could be psychological (horribly traumatized by one or more members of (...) (20 years ago, 19-Sep-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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| | | | | Re: New poll: sexuality and Lugnet —Orion Pobursky
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| | | | (...) Let's turn the tables on that question. What makes someone hetero? Merely the fact that they are attracted to the opposite sex? If the answer is no to the above questions does that mean that virgins are neither homosexual or heterosexual but (...) (20 years ago, 19-Sep-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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| | | | | | Re: New poll: sexuality and Lugnet —Jeff Pelletier
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| | | | | (...) John asked a simple question which I think is a common misconception. It can be summed up with a few definitions which should help clarify (and these definitions are scholarly, you can disagree with them if you wish - I'm just putting out (...) (20 years ago, 19-Sep-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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| | | | | | | Re: New poll: sexuality and Lugnet —Christopher L. Weeks
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| | | | | | (...) This is a question for anyone who has an educated opinion...I seriously don't know. Why does it seem relatively more common for women to be openly bi than men? I know lots of bi women, relatively few bi men, and more gay men than lesbians. Is (...) (20 years ago, 20-Sep-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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| | | | | | | | Re: New poll: sexuality and Lugnet —Frank Filz
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| | | | | | "Christopher Weeks" <clweeks@eclipse.net> wrote in message news:I4CF8K.GxD@lugnet.com... (...) don't (...) men? I (...) lesbians. (...) are (...) them? (...) Hmm, the difference in acceptability could be due to a difference in function. Cynthia (...) (20 years ago, 20-Sep-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | Re: New poll: sexuality and Lugnet —John Neal
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| | | | | (...) Hmmm. Can we do that? You are implying that the two are equal and interchangable things. It seems to me that being heterosexual is the default, and then something happens (socialization, etc), and some become gay. There is a great deal of (...) (20 years ago, 20-Sep-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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| | | | | | | Re: New poll: sexuality and Lugnet —Kevin Wilson
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| | | | | | | (...) "Normative: That which is not perceived or experienced by members of a society as odd, peculiar, outlandish, or even as deserving of unusual attention, because either: (a) it is culturally typical, conventional, and encountered commonly in the (...) (20 years ago, 20-Sep-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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| | | | | | | | | Re: New poll: sexuality and Lugnet —John Neal
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| | | | | | | | (...) Scratch "normative". "Norm" would have been a better choice. (...) Yes, that is how I was intending the word to be understood. (...) Agreed. I didn't mean to attach a pejorative meaning to "not normal". I was just reacting to something that (...) (20 years ago, 20-Sep-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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| | | | | | | Re: New poll: sexuality and Lugnet —David Laswell
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| | | | | | | (...) That's pretty much proven by evolution, if nothing else. Heterosexual pairings can produce offspring, but homosexual ones can't, therefore the heterosexual lifestyle is self-propogating and the homosexual one isn't. (...) Survival of the (...) (20 years ago, 20-Sep-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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| | | | | | | | | Re: New poll: sexuality and Lugnet —Cynthia Bradham
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| | | | | | | | (...) I'd like to chime in as a biologist here: there are some situations in which sexual energy is better spent without a procreative effect. For example, if a group has limited resources. Sexual interactions among animals are not always strictly (...) (20 years ago, 20-Sep-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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| | | | | | | | | | Re: New poll: sexuality and Lugnet —Christopher L. Weeks
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| | | | | | | | (...) Cynthia, can you hypothesize a mechanism by which this might be true? I would have thought that gene replication happens before anything else that might potentially cause gayness. Chris (20 years ago, 20-Sep-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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| | | | | | | | | | Re: New poll: sexuality and Lugnet —Cynthia Bradham
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| | | | | | | | (...) Hi Chris, well, strictly speaking, I meant a gene expressed in gay people as opposed to straight people, or expressed more or less highly between the 2 different groups. Any number of mechanisms could account for such an occurance (probably (...) (20 years ago, 21-Sep-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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| | | | | | | | | | Re: New poll: sexuality and Lugnet —Christopher L. Weeks
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| | | | | | | | (...) Yeah, I got all that and I hope I wasn't diluting your point. (...) That's super-cool. I had no idea. Is there a term for this phenomenon that I can google for? Chris (20 years ago, 21-Sep-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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| | | | | | | | | | Re: New poll: sexuality and Lugnet —Cynthia Bradham
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| | | | | | | | (...) Chris- This incredible process was discovered when people began to realize that we each have too many different antibody proteins, and that our DNA isn't long enough to encode them all. Eventually they figured out that each antibody-producing (...) (20 years ago, 21-Sep-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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| | | | | | | | | | Re: New poll: sexuality and Lugnet —Larry Pieniazek
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| | | | | | | | | (...) See also the novels of Greg Bear, who seems to riff on some of this stuff quite a bit. You might just get a lot of confused views rather than good solid scientific info but you might just enjoy the reads... (I just finished Vitals which (...) (20 years ago, 21-Sep-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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| | | | | | | | | | | Re: New poll: sexuality and Lugnet —Cynthia Bradham
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| | | | | | | | | | (...) I love Greg Bear, also good are Darwin's Radio and Blood Music. (20 years ago, 21-Sep-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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| | | | | | | | | | (...) Those, in fact (along with Darwin's Children) were what I was thinking of as well. I just finished Blood Music and I have to say while I found the science very interesting, I sort of didn't like the ending of the story. The whole last half of (...) (20 years ago, 22-Sep-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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| | | | | | | | | | | | Re: Genetics and SF (was Re: New poll: sexuality and Lugnet —Orion Pobursky
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | Re: Genetics and SF (was Re: New poll: sexuality and Lugnet —Larry Pieniazek
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| | | | | | | | | | | | (...) Read them, liked them. The very notion of being Sleepless is a pretty amazing idea. Thought the third book got a bit weak compared to the first, though. (20 years ago, 22-Sep-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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| | | | | | | | | | | | Re: Genetics and SF (was Re: New poll: sexuality and Lugnet —Kevin Blocksidge
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| | | | | | | | | | (...) If I recall correctly, Blood Music was indeed a short story first, and then was lengthened to a novel after the short story's success. I've only read the short version, but I wouldn't doubt that the second half of the novel was bland. ~Kevoh (20 years ago, 22-Sep-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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| | | | | | | | | | | | Re: Genetics and SF (was Re: New poll: sexuality and Lugnet —David Laswell
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| | | | | | | | | | (...) I've only read a couple of full-length novels that were originally published as short stories or novellas. Ender's Game (Orson Scott Card) comes immediately to mind (and I've recently discovered a copy of the original novella at the local (...) (20 years ago, 22-Sep-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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| | | | | | | | | | Re: New poll: sexuality and Lugnet —David Laswell
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| | | | | | | | (...) Okay, so that works on an individual celular level, with cells that have evolved specifically to do this. Do you really think something as tied to the core psychology of self as sexual orientation would be post-natally programmable at the (...) (20 years ago, 21-Sep-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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| | | | | | | | | | Re: New poll: sexuality and Lugnet —Cynthia Bradham
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| | | | | | | | (...) The bottom line is: we don't know!! We can speculate all we want to, but we just don't have any facts to go by. (...) Because we can't think of one doesn't mean there isn't one. Nature is generally smarter than we are :) (...) But there is no (...) (20 years ago, 21-Sep-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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| | | | | | | Re: New poll: sexuality and Lugnet —Orion Pobursky
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| | | | | | (...) Yes I am and yes they are for the basis of this dicussion. Both involve sexual attraction the only difference being whether or not this attraction is directed towards the same or opposite sex. I think the direct comparison is obvious. -Orion (20 years ago, 20-Sep-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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| | | | | | Re: New poll: sexuality and Lugnet —Christopher L. Weeks
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| | | | (...) Yes! And it's a sad state that we should be helping to correct. :-) Chris (Who, with plent of qualifications, is serious despite the smiley.) (20 years ago, 20-Sep-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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