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Many people have asked what colors are currently considered "universal" or
locked. This means that these colors will almost certainly never be changed.
Universal colors are colors that we consider to be untouchable for change.
While the final list of extended "locked" colors has not been finalized yet, at
minimum, the universal colors will include:
- red
- green
- blue
- yellow
- white
- black
- new light gray
- new dark gray
- new brown
This list will grow from what I understand, as decisions are made internally in
the next couple of weeks about what colors do should be added to this list.
But for sure, the colors above are locked, and considered universal. They're
here for the very long term. Like a good club, once you're on the list, you're
on the list.
Jake
---
Jake McKee
Community Liaison
LEGO Community Development
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the universal colors will include:
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- red
- green
- blue
- yellow
- white
- black
- new light gray
- new dark gray
- new brown
Funny thing: Remove the 3 new colors, add back the 3 old colors plus tan (I’m
indifferent to tan, but I know a lot of people love it) and I would bet 9 out of
10 of us here could live with this list forever!
-Ted
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Agreed.
This list blows chunks due to the last 3 listings. Replace "new" with "old", and
it's Golden.
Ted Michon wrote:
> > the universal colors will include:
>
> * red
> * green
> * blue
> * yellow
> * white
> * black
> * new light gray
> * new dark gray
> * new brown
>
> Funny thing: Remove the 3 new colors, add back the 3 old colors plus tan (I'm
> indifferent to tan, but I know a lot of people love it) and I would bet 9 out of
> 10 of us here could live with this list forever!
>
> -Ted
--
Tom Stangl
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I love tan, and the "sand" colors. Tan, at least, needs to be around forever.
I'd like to see chrome gold universalized, too. Imagine a 6285 Black Seas
Barracuda with all the yellow replaced with chrome gold. That is bliss.
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In lugnet.general, Jake McKee wrote:
> Many people have asked what colors are currently considered "universal" or
> locked. This means that these colors will almost certainly never be changed.
> Universal colors are colors that we consider to be untouchable for change.
>
> While the final list of extended "locked" colors has not been finalized yet, at
> minimum, the universal colors will include:
>
> - red
> - green
> - blue
> - yellow
> - white
> - black
> - new light gray
> - new dark gray
> - new brown
...
Hi,
and at the purple colour you have to think about a little more, how the exact
colour has to look like, hmm?
What other colours will you try in a wild mix in one set like the HP-bus?
Maybe some sorts of tan in the next starwars-set?
Or some sorts of light-through darkblue and darkred in a trainset?
Sorry, but whatever you (TLC) wrote and i heard about colours in the last months
is a big tragedy. If it would not be so serious, it would be funny, but so...
I thing TLC is on the biggest looser-highway i can ever imagine.
Regards Ronald
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Jake McKee wrote:
> the universal colors will include:
> - red
> - green
> - blue
> - yellow
> - white
> - black
> - new light gray
> - new dark gray
> - new brown
I wondered about some numbers, so I consulted Peeron:
Those named above are 9 most used colours (minus the 'new' word, of
course). These account for 91% percents of parts used in all sets.
Original Gray is #2 (15.4%), DkGray #7 (3.9%), Brown #9 (1.5%).
Note that these numbers are for all inventoried sets, so they're not
perfect.
http://www.peeron.com/cgi-bin/invcgis/reports/mostcommon.cgi?type=Color&more=1&start=0
Introduction dates:
Gray - 1962 (42 years)
Brown - 1965 (39 years)
DkGray - 1977 (27 years)
http://www.peeron.com/cgi-bin/invcgis/reports/simple.cgi?mode=ColorYear
--
Jindroush <jindroush@nospam.seznam.nospam.cz>
Remove both 'nospam's from the address to reply.
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Jake,
please, please shut up! Do you believe what you are writing?
We don`t need your way of community development.
I give you a good hint: Look for another job!
We don`t trust in any word from you nor TLC. Tomorrow white will die, then
red, then....
TLC really sucks! German AFOLs are very annoyed!
You are now loosing your most loyal fans.
Dirk
"Jake McKee" <jacob.mckee@america.lego.com> schrieb im Newsbeitrag
news:HxAwE3.MI9@lugnet.com...
> Many people have asked what colors are currently considered "universal" or
> locked. This means that these colors will almost certainly never be • changed.
> Universal colors are colors that we consider to be untouchable for change.
>
> While the final list of extended "locked" colors has not been finalized • yet, at
> minimum, the universal colors will include:
>
> - red
> - green
> - blue
> - yellow
> - white
> - black
> - new light gray
> - new dark gray
> - new brown
>
> This list will grow from what I understand, as decisions are made • internally in
> the next couple of weeks about what colors do should be added to this • list.
>
> But for sure, the colors above are locked, and considered universal. • They're
> here for the very long term. Like a good club, once you're on the list, • you're
> on the list.
>
> Jake
> ---
> Jake McKee
> Community Liaison
> LEGO Community Development
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In lugnet.general, Dirk Meier wrote:
> Jake,
>
> please, please shut up! Do you believe what you are writing?
> We don`t need your way of community development.
> I give you a good hint: Look for another job!
>
> We don`t trust in any word from you nor TLC. Tomorrow white will die, then
> red, then....
>
> TLC really sucks! German AFOLs are very annoyed!
>
> You are now loosing your most loyal fans.
>
> Dirk
Dirk,
I think this post was rude and uncalled for. How would you like to be called
useless? I sure wouldn't. You basically just called Jake a moron. Whether or
not you agree with the TLC's decision does not give you the right to have a
nasty tone and to be condescending. Constructive criticism instead of
destructive criticism please.
-Orion
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In lugnet.general, Dirk Meier wrote:
> Jake,
>
> please, please shut up! Do you believe what you are writing?
> We don`t need your way of community development.
> I give you a good hint: Look for another job!
>
> We don`t trust in any word from you nor TLC. Tomorrow white will die, then
> red, then....
>
> TLC really sucks! German AFOLs are very annoyed!
>
> You are now loosing your most loyal fans.
>
> Dirk
I don't care for the color change - they should have thought about backwards
compatiblity and inviolate colors before they made the change. If they had, I
really doubt they would have be having this discussion. That they won't change
back is probably as much a matter of inertia and career protection as
aesthetics.
Be that as it may, I rather doubt any of that was officially expressed to Jake,
nor are my suspicions hardly a certainty. There is utterly no need to get
personally insulting to Jake - I've been on the other side of this kind of
discussion as a company's representative, and it is very apparent to me that
Jake is doing his absolute best to illuminate the concerns of the AFOL to Lego
and win what concessions he can, all in a stunningly professional manner.
-->Bruce<--
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In lugnet.general, Dirk Meier wrote:
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TLC really sucks! German AFOLs are very annoyed!
|
I really hope someone hacked into your system and wrote this message. I would
be really embarassed to be associated with a hobby in which fans speak with such
lack of class and civility.
If this is the way AFOLs behave (and I stress the A for Adult), then it’s no
wonder that TLC treats our opinions with a grain of salt.
-Bryan
P.S. And for the record, I am not in favour of the colour change myself.
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"Dirk Meier" <dirk.meier@surfeu.de> wrote in message
news:HxB097.1A8r@lugnet.com...
> Jake,
>
> please, please shut up! Do you believe what you are writing?
> We don`t need your way of community development.
> I give you a good hint: Look for another job!
>
> We don`t trust in any word from you nor TLC. Tomorrow white will die, then
> red, then....
>
> TLC really sucks! German AFOLs are very annoyed!
>
> You are now loosing your most loyal fans.
>
> Dirk
Okay - timeout.
Really.
There is absolutely no need for that.
Whatever the AFOLs concerns are with new colors, there is absolutely no need
for that.
Just think about it for a minute - without Jake, the LEGO company would
hardly know that we exist as a group.
I met Jake once and within just a few minutes of talking to him, I can
honestly say that he has our best interests at heart. He is an AFOL himself,
not just some corporate guy who has little interest in his position.
You may want Jake to look for another job, but I certainly don't. Jake
literally fights tooth and nail to make the company aware of us adult LEGO
fans - it is a slow job, but he is making a lot of progress. That the
company is doing anything for us is directly because of the Jakes, Brads and
Kates of this world. Personally I wish there were more of them in the
company.
Without this representation, we wouldn't even have anyone to complain to
about the new colors other than to ourselves. The LEGO company certainly
wouldn't be aware of the fans concerns to the extent that they now are and
they certainly wouldn't be talking about producing a limited range of items
in the old colors.
TLC have made some amazing inroads to helping serve us adult fans better and
I am sure there is a lot more to come.
Is it perfect? No, of course not - but LEGO is a big company, we are a niche
area for them and like a big ship, it takes a long time to change course,
but they are doing so and are gaining momentum.
I don't see many other companies doing so much for a section of their
customers that the product wasn't originally intended for.
Jake - hopefully you realise that despite how passionate we may get over
things, most of us don't feel quite as extreme as Dirk.
Richard.
www.briktrak.com
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I don't believe your ranting is serving any useful purpose.
I personally think that Jake is doing everything he can to help. That's a
[hard] thing to do. When you're in customer support, it's a very difficult
thing to keep certain customers happy when changes are made.
Jeff
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Hi,
get me right:
Jake tries his best - I know, but I cannot imagine he is really believing
what he is writing. Then he could not be an AFOL.
For him it must be frustrating. So this was my intention to give him the
hint to look for a new job. No one could bare this load.
Normally I write nice and calm postings, but this evening I understood that
my hobby just end in these days.
This makes me crazy. And it really annoys me - let say hurts me deeply. It's
too late now for constructive criticism.
Then there is a cultural difference. Germans tell what they think. Americans
are always nice. Germans are straight ahead.
If you could read german, then read the the today 1000steine postinga. The
air is hot there!
At the weekend I will bring my bricks up to the loft...
Dirk
"Dirk Meier" <dirk.meier@surfeu.de> schrieb im Newsbeitrag
news:HxB097.1A8r@lugnet.com...
> Jake,
>
> please, please shut up! Do you believe what you are writing?
> We don`t need your way of community development.
> I give you a good hint: Look for another job!
>
> We don`t trust in any word from you nor TLC. Tomorrow white will die, then
> red, then....
>
> TLC really sucks! German AFOLs are very annoyed!
>
> You are now loosing your most loyal fans.
>
> Dirk
>
>
> "Jake McKee" <jacob.mckee@america.lego.com> schrieb im Newsbeitrag
> news:HxAwE3.MI9@lugnet.com...
> > Many people have asked what colors are currently considered "universal" • or
> > locked. This means that these colors will almost certainly never be • changed.
> > Universal colors are colors that we consider to be untouchable for • change.
> >
> > While the final list of extended "locked" colors has not been finalized • yet, at
> > minimum, the universal colors will include:
> >
> > - red
> > - green
> > - blue
> > - yellow
> > - white
> > - black
> > - new light gray
> > - new dark gray
> > - new brown
> >
> > This list will grow from what I understand, as decisions are made • internally in
> > the next couple of weeks about what colors do should be added to this • list.
> >
> > But for sure, the colors above are locked, and considered universal. • They're
> > here for the very long term. Like a good club, once you're on the list, • you're
> > on the list.
> >
> > Jake
> > ---
> > Jake McKee
> > Community Liaison
> > LEGO Community Development
>
>
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In lugnet.general, Dirk Meier wrote:
>
> get me right:
> Jake tries his best - I know, but I cannot imagine he is really believing
> what he is writing. Then he could not be an AFOL.
> For him it must be frustrating. So this was my intention to give him the
> hint to look for a new job. No one could bare this load.
Jake has said many times that he doesn't lie to the AFOL community.
> Then there is a cultural difference. Germans tell what they think. Americans
> are always nice. Germans are straight ahead.
> If you could read german, then read the the today 1000steine postinga. The
> air is hot there!
Have you had business dealings with "far east" cultures like the Japanese? If
you ask them to do something, and they aren't going to do it, they don't tell
you "No" at all, because that simply isn't done in their culture. You'll get
all sorts of answers that, as a westerner, would lead you to believe that their
answer was really a "Maybe", or perhaps a "Qualified yes". This can definately
come back to haunt you.
I've also had dealings with Germans and other Europeans. We had one customer
that we used to call the "Angry Austrian". He never held anything back and
always told you exactly what he thought. In reality, his suggestions were
always valid from his point of view, and we always respected them.
Unfortunately, we couldn't always make the changes he wanted in our products.
I know how Jake feels.
> At the weekend I will bring my bricks up to the loft...
Do you mean that you will be placing your bricks into storage? Just curious. I
think something may have been lost in translation.
Jeff
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In lugnet.general, Jeff Findley wrote:
> Have you had business dealings with "far east" cultures like the Japanese?
> If you ask them to do something, and they aren't going to do it, they don't
> tell you "No" at all, because that simply isn't done in their culture.
> You'll get all sorts of answers that, as a westerner, would lead you to
> believe that their answer was really a "Maybe", or perhaps a "Qualified
> yes". This can definately come back to haunt you.
A friend of mine is in a teaching program in Japan, and he's been commenting on
some of the more odd instances of culture shock. One of the most interesting
ones was finding out that some of the local residents will just cut in line
whenever they please because there's little risk of anyone objecting. And if
they do object, the closest equivalent to "excuse me" basically involves
admitting that the whole situation is, in fact, _your_ fault for having the
audacity to impose yourself upon the person who just cut in line, and asking if
he would be at all gracious enough to forgive you for doing so. It's even more
difficult to wade through this process when you're a Westerner who barely has a
grasp of the culture to begin with.
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In lugnet.general, Dirk Meier wrote:
> Jake tries his best - I know, but I cannot imagine he is really believing
> what he is writing. Then he could not be an AFOL.
> For him it must be frustrating. So this was my intention to give him the
> hint to look for a new job. No one could bare this load.
I think Jake is honest with us and passes along any information that is
important to the community, whether good or bad. I'm sure he believes it.
> Normally I write nice and calm postings, but this evening I understood that
> my hobby just end in these days.
> This makes me crazy. And it really annoys me - let say hurts me deeply. It's
> too late now for constructive criticism.
Well, let's put this into perspective. LEGO is a hobby to most of us. We usually
can't make a living with it, so it's just a fun hobby. If changes in LEGO's
products make you this nuts, then you're taking it too seriously.
I think we should all be very grateful that Jake's job exists and that he
communicates with us as he does. As a lot of us have observed, companies don't
usually interact with their fans to the extent LEGO does.
Jake has done a terrific job and I applaud him.
> Then there is a cultural difference. Germans tell what they think. Americans
> are always nice. Germans are straight ahead.
> If you could read german, then read the the today 1000steine postinga. The
> air is hot there!
Despite what culture you belong to, there is a common sense of courtesy and
gratitude. Everyone should feel that. And there are definitely better and more
intelligent ways of expressing yourself than stating "LEGO Sucks".
-TJ
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In lugnet.general, Dirk Meier wrote:
> At the weekend I will bring my bricks up to the loft...
It's unfortunate that you are unable to adapt your hobby to these changes.
I've been eyeing some of my mocs that I actually want to change over to the new
colors to improve them. The added bonus is this will free up some of the older
colors for future projects that they are better suited for. I'm just waiting for
the prices on Bricklink to come down - right now the new colors cost more than
the old!
Spencer
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In lugnet.general, Dirk Meier wrote:
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Hi,
Then there is a cultural difference. Germans tell what they think. Americans
are always nice. Germans are straight ahead.
If you could read german, then read the the today 1000steine postinga. The
air is hot there!
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Schnipp
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TLC really sucks! German AFOLs are very annoyed!
You are now loosing your most loyal fans.
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Hey, speak for yourself !
I can say what I think and do it in a civilized manner (at least I hope my
english is good enough ;) I am also not annoyed. I do like the new colors for my
space-junk-mocs but I’ll also miss the old grey.
And a big Thank You to Jake for the update. I appreciate the effort TLC puts
into the fan communities.
Who cares for a color change, when you can build a Millenium Falcon like this:
I prefer people with imagination like this or humor like that:
Viele Grüße,
->dö
“I’m not even supposed to be here today!”
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In lugnet.general, Dirk Meier wrote:
> Jake,
>
> please, please shut up! Do you believe what you are writing?
> We don`t need your way of community development.
> I give you a good hint: Look for another job!
>
> We don`t trust in any word from you nor TLC. Tomorrow white will die, then
> red, then....
>
> TLC really sucks! German AFOLs are very annoyed!
>
> You are now loosing your most loyal fans.
>
> Dirk
Dirk,
Are you *sure* your an *adult* fan of LEGO? I don't doubt the "fan of LEGO"
part, but I do seriously question the adult part.
Are you saying you are more loyal than me? I'm sure not going anywhere. More
colors mean more options.
I invite you to look for another hobby, rather than Jake looking for another
job.
You need to understand the Jake has no control over what is happening. He is
not in a position to make any decisions. He can report what we fans say, and
report what the decision makers decide. To attack him because you do not like
the decisions made by the decision makers is breaking one of those basic life
lessons: "Don't shoot the messenger".
Your post shows a distinct lack of maturity. I thought I was intense, but
you've got me beat by a long shot.
Feel free to send me all your lego when you give up the hobby. I'll pay for
the shipping.
I'm an american that speaks his mind. Maybe that is the bull headed german
that I got from my Grandma Hoffman, or maybe that is my short tempered isrish
blood from Grandpa Clague.
Kevin
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Hi Kevin,
I like your direct style!
Yes I am an adult, and I'm mature. But no longer a fan of LEGO.
It was not my intention to annoy any AFOL!
Sorry, if this was a result of my postings!
Then it even would have been better not to write a single line.
I will take your invitation for another hobby.
Yesterday I have realized that I should stop now.
I didn`t pick a brick for playing now for nearly half a year (with the
exception of some hours on a saturday in March).
The one and only reason is the colour change. I don't trust LEGO anymore.
And I will no longer indirectly support LEGO by presenting MOCs in the
Internet or in public meetings. But this was the most funny part of the
hobby.
For my next hobby I will make sure, that there is a second source!
Yes, I will put all my bricks to my storage - thanks to Jeff for the correct
translation ;-)
No I will not sell them. May in some weeks, some months, some years or some
decades,
LEGO comes back with the old (before 2004) colours and concepts.
Then - maybe - I will be prepared to return.
But I don`t see this.
My quote was alway "I don't sell (my) LEGO". This is now the motto of LEGO?
Then about Jake. I could not agree to what he was writing. He takes me for a
ride (correct translation for "verarschen" ? - Jeff?).
"Universal colours" - "they will stay forever". Bullshit!
I really had a good time in the last years as an AFOL. Really enjoyed the
meetings. But as always you have to know when to stop.
Maybe I should have stopped two days ago?!
If anybody is interested in my photos on brickshelf I shot in the LEGOLAND
parks and on several meetings, be quick! I will delete this unwanted LEGO
advertising in the next weeks to save space on Kevin M. Loch`s server!
Thanxs for listening to me.
The bricks stopped rolling for me.
Dirk "Rollingbricks"
"Kevin L. Clague" <kevin_clague@yahoo.com> schrieb im Newsbeitrag
news:HxBEou.1s8J@lugnet.com...
> In lugnet.general, Dirk Meier wrote:
> > Jake,
> >
> > please, please shut up! Do you believe what you are writing?
> > We don`t need your way of community development.
> > I give you a good hint: Look for another job!
> >
> > We don`t trust in any word from you nor TLC. Tomorrow white will die, • then
> > red, then....
> >
> > TLC really sucks! German AFOLs are very annoyed!
> >
> > You are now loosing your most loyal fans.
> >
> > Dirk
>
> Dirk,
>
> Are you *sure* your an *adult* fan of LEGO? I don't doubt the "fan of • LEGO"
> part, but I do seriously question the adult part.
>
> Are you saying you are more loyal than me? I'm sure not going anywhere. • More
> colors mean more options.
>
> I invite you to look for another hobby, rather than Jake looking for • another
> job.
>
> You need to understand the Jake has no control over what is happening. • He is
> not in a position to make any decisions. He can report what we fans say, • and
> report what the decision makers decide. To attack him because you do not • like
> the decisions made by the decision makers is breaking one of those basic • life
> lessons: "Don't shoot the messenger".
>
> Your post shows a distinct lack of maturity. I thought I was intense, • but
> you've got me beat by a long shot.
>
> Feel free to send me all your lego when you give up the hobby. I'll pay • for
> the shipping.
>
> I'm an american that speaks his mind. Maybe that is the bull headed • german
> that I got from my Grandma Hoffman, or maybe that is my short tempered • isrish
> blood from Grandpa Clague.
>
> Kevin
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In lugnet.general, Dirk Meier wrote:
> Hi Kevin,
>
> I like your direct style!
Thanks Dirk.
Enjoy your hibernation and I hope you find your new hobby relaxing, enjoyable
and stress free.
Kevin
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In lugnet.general, Jake McKee wrote:
> While the final list of extended "locked" colors has not been finalized yet, at
> minimum, the universal colors will include:
>
> - red
> - green
> - blue
> - yellow
> - white
> - black
> - new light gray
> - new dark gray
> - new brown
What broad sided the AFOL community was the fact that I'm sure everyone here
assumed that all of these colors were fixed (including the old grays and brown).
Grays and browns have been around seemingly forever. It's crushing to know that
those of us who love old Classics like Classic Space or Pirates won't be able to
get new pieces in the same colors. How many years has it been for the original
gray and brown?
Everything else in your list are Lego's trademark colors. You simply can't
change red, green, blue, yellow, white, or black. It's simply unthinkable.
These are the colors I buy in buckets, literally! I've got dozens of plastic
Lego buckets in the garage right now. I'm sure everyone inside and outside the
Lego Company would agree about these colors.
As a suggestion to Lugnet (I hope "they" hear this), these Universal Colors need
to be spelled out on a web page that's easy to get to. I know that there is the
<http://guide.lugnet.com/color/> page, but I had to search for it, as I
couldn't find it any other way. I'd suggest putting a Color Guide link off the
main Lugnet Guide page.
From the Lugnet color guide, it looks like these colors have been around for
quite some time. It lists blue, red, yellow, white, and black as having been
around since 1950 (with a question mark). It lists green ("forest green" in the
Lugnet Color Guide) as being around since 1960 (again with a question mark).
Brown ("dark brown" in the Lugnet color guide) has been around since 1978. Gray
has been around since 1970. Dark gray has been around since 1989.
If the gray listed in the Lugnet Color Guide is the same gray that was recently
changed, you can see one reason why it's so hard for the AFOL community to
swallow this change since that color has been around over 30 years! As someone
who was born in 1969, that was one of the "original Lego colors" to me!
Oh well, enough ranting. In this day and age, having a list (with pictures) of
the official "universal" colors posted on the Web somewhere is the least that
Lego (in cooperation with the online community) can do.
Jeff
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Jake McKee wrote:
> Many people have asked what colors are currently considered "universal" or
> locked. This means that these colors will almost certainly never be changed.
"almost certainly" - There is the wiggle-room again. To be trustworthy
one has to be reliable. TLC is neither (anymore). It is sad to see a
good company go.
> Universal colors are colors that we consider to be untouchable for change.
Until?
> While the final list of extended "locked" colors has not been finalized yet, at
> minimum, the universal colors will include:
>
> - red
> - green
> - blue
> - yellow
> - white
> - black
> - new light gray
> - new dark gray
> - new brown
good: Someone though about including green.
bad: the new colours are on this list, too. And there they simply don't
belong. The are a mistake and like every mistake, they should be fixed.
> This list will grow from what I understand, as decisions are made internally in
> the next couple of weeks about what colors do should be added to this list.
This does not solve the basic problem...
> But for sure, the colors above are locked, and considered universal. They're
> here for the very long term. Like a good club, once you're on the list, you're
> on the list.
Yeah, until whatever happens...
An existence for more than 30 years was all I previously needed to think
that a colour was untouchable. How long will the new grays last? How far
do we have to kill off the market until your company starts not only to
listen but at least attemt to understand what the issue is at all?
Do we really have to point the Danish banks (at least those where Lego
gets its credit line from) to the anger and disappointment and
statements of redirecting purchases from the formaly most loyal and
fanatic supporters a company could ever ask for?
I will point out this whole issue to the guy who wrote the book "Idiots
in Pinstripes" in case he needs more stuff for a sequel...
Yours, still speechless, Christian Treczoks
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In lugnet.general, Jake McKee wrote:
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Many people have asked what colors are currently considered “universal” or
locked. This means that these colors will almost certainly never be changed.
Universal colors are colors that we consider to be untouchable for change.
While the final list of extended “locked” colors has not been finalized yet,
at minimum, the universal colors will include:
- red
- green
- blue
- yellow
- white
- black
- new light gray
- new dark gray
- new brown
This list will grow from what I understand, as decisions are made internally
in the next couple of weeks about what colors do should be added to this list.
But for sure, the colors above are locked, and considered universal. They’re
here for the very long term. Like a good club, once you’re on the list, you’re
on the list.
Jake
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Jake McKee
Community Liaison
LEGO Community Development
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What kind of club leaves out members with long standing and a proven track
record in favour of some ‘wannabe upstarts’ with no standing in the community?
It amounts to identity theft. The new colours do not belong in the club.
Peace and credentials,
Professor Whateverly
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In lugnet.general, Jake McKee wrote:
> Many people have asked what colors are currently considered "universal" or
> locked. This means that these colors will almost certainly never be changed.
> Universal colors are colors that we consider to be untouchable for change.
>
> While the final list of extended "locked" colors has not been finalized yet, at
> minimum, the universal colors will include:
>
> - red
> - green
> - blue
> - yellow
> - white
> - black
> - new light gray
> - new dark gray
> - new brown
>
> This list will grow from what I understand, as decisions are made internally in
> the next couple of weeks about what colors do should be added to this list.
>
> But for sure, the colors above are locked, and considered universal. They're
> here for the very long term. Like a good club, once you're on the list, you're
> on the list.
>
> Jake
> ---
> Jake McKee
> Community Liaison
> LEGO Community Development
I know some people are still thinking this is bad news, but I disagree. Thanks
for providing this list to us, Jake. Of all the news you have given, I think
this may be the most healing. Now we can look forward to some degree of
stability somewhere.
I am really most glad about white. I was worried that it was headed for a
change, as some have noted that the old greys were combinations of the current
white and black colors. Honestly, after owning some new light grey, I think I
am on the way to accepting it. It really seems to be a trivial shade change in
my eyes. The dark grey--well thats another matter. :)
I imagine that the "sand" colors will not make the list. Not that it is
terribly important. Actually, if this new grey schema is really here to stay,
then I would expect Lego to adjust the "sand" colors to match. They really so
stand out oddly with the new greys, probably because they are color variants
that involve the old greys.
Anyway, I am glad you got back to us so quickly on this issue. Despite what
others think of your honesty, I feel that I can trust you. I also feel that I
can trust TLG, when they are intent on making a statement. Neither you nor the
company are really known for lies or deception. Lego has frequently been
secretive, but that isn't the same as deceptive, and fairly often, I bet it was
a smart move--just not this time.
-Alfred
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In lugnet.general, Alfred Speredelozzi wrote:
> I imagine that the "sand" colors will not make the list. Not that it is
> terribly important. Actually, if this new grey schema is really here to
> stay, then I would expect Lego to adjust the "sand" colors to match. They
> really so stand out oddly with the new greys, probably because they are
> color variants that involve the old greys.
You think so? In my own comparisons, I've found that there are only five opaque
colors that really go well with dark-bley (not counting light-bley and
light-light-bley, of course), which are black, dark-blue, sand-blue, sand-green,
and sand-purple. Every other color is too warm, including blue.
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In lugnet.general, David Laswell wrote:
> In lugnet.general, Alfred Speredelozzi wrote:
> > I imagine that the "sand" colors will not make the list. Not that it is
> > terribly important. Actually, if this new grey schema is really here to
> > stay, then I would expect Lego to adjust the "sand" colors to match. They
> > really so stand out oddly with the new greys, probably because they are
> > color variants that involve the old greys.
>
> You think so? In my own comparisons, I've found that there are only five opaque
> colors that really go well with dark-bley (not counting light-bley and
> light-light-bley, of course), which are black, dark-blue, sand-blue, sand-green,
> and sand-purple. Every other color is too warm, including blue.
Of course, at some level, its a matter of opinion, so maybe I am in the
minority. However, I have heard discussion from people who seem to be a lot
more interested in colors than I, that the sand colors were mixes of the base
color and original lt grey. That doesn't make it true, but that is what I
heard. Honestly, light bley doesn't look different enough to me with any other
color except old light grey.
-Alfred
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In lugnet.general, Alfred Speredelozzi wrote:
> Of course, at some level, its a matter of opinion, so maybe I am in the
> minority. However, I have heard discussion from people who seem to be a lot
> more interested in colors than I, that the sand colors were mixes of the base
> color and original lt grey.
If that's true, it would still mean that the three sand-colors I cited are mixes
of grey and a color from the cool end of the spectrum, much like the bleys. I
actually held dark-bley up against all three of those colors just to confirm
that they don't actually look all that bad together. And yet that still doesn't
comfort me much in light of the fact that dark-bley looks horrible with white
and blue.
> Honestly, light bley doesn't look different enough to me with any other
> color except old light grey.
I really only bothered to compare dark-bley because it even looks odd by itself.
However, true light-grey is reportedly the second most common color in LEGO
history, even though it's not one of the original five colors. Even if that's
the only color that doesn't go with light-bley (it doesn't look very good with
true dark-grey either), that's still pretty significant.
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In lugnet.general, Jake McKee wrote:
> Many people have asked what colors are currently considered "universal" or
> locked. This means that these colors will almost certainly never be changed.
> Universal colors are colors that we consider to be untouchable for change.
>
> While the final list of extended "locked" colors has not been finalized yet, at
> minimum, the universal colors will include:
>
> - red
> - green
> - blue
> - yellow
> - white
> - black
> - new light gray
> - new dark gray
> - new brown
>
> This list will grow from what I understand, as decisions are made internally in
> the next couple of weeks about what colors do should be added to this list.
>
> But for sure, the colors above are locked, and considered universal. They're
> here for the very long term. Like a good club, once you're on the list, you're
> on the list.
>
> Jake
> ---
> Jake McKee
> Community Liaison
> LEGO Community Development
Jake,
Would it be possible to poll the Lego community on what other colours
should be included in the universal list. Perhaps if you get enough
feedback regarding certain colours (like tan --- please keep tan) that
might influence your internal discussions.
Thanks,
Jeff
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In lugnet.general, Jake McKee wrote:
> Many people have asked what colors are currently considered "universal" or
> locked. This means that these colors will almost certainly never be changed.
> Universal colors are colors that we consider to be untouchable for change.
>
> While the final list of extended "locked" colors has not been finalized yet, at
> minimum, the universal colors will include:
>
> - red
> - green
> - blue
> - yellow
> - white
> - black
> - new light gray
> - new dark gray
> - new brown
>
> This list will grow from what I understand, as decisions are made internally in
> the next couple of weeks about what colors do should be added to this list.
>
> But for sure, the colors above are locked, and considered universal. They're
> here for the very long term. Like a good club, once you're on the list, you're
> on the list.
>
> Jake
> ---
> Jake McKee
> Community Liaison
> LEGO Community Development
Jake,
Thanks for the update. Curiously absent from the list are any/all of the
transparent colors. Hopefully some of those (t-white/clear, t-yellow, t-green,
t-red) will be included in the additions to the list.
Ray Sanders
lugnet # 124
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In lugnet.general, Jake McKee wrote:
> Many people have asked what colors are currently considered "universal" or
> locked. This means that these colors will almost certainly never be changed.
> ... the universal colors will include:
>
> - red
> - green
> - blue
> - yellow
> - white
> - black
> - new light gray
> - new dark gray
> - new brown
>
> This list will grow from what I understand, as decisions are made internally in
> the next couple of weeks about what colors do should be added to this list.
>
> But for sure, the colors above are locked, and considered universal.
Edited with extreme limitations!
Thank you senior fan, previous employee, inner circle contact and virtual
Train-head, Jake.
Okay, I can see a trend starting here with everybody's message replies, but I
have to add 2 cents also.
I LOVE the current Tan color. Change it and that's a death bell. It's too new
and I have not built up a large enough supply, YET. :o)
On the Universal green, would that cover both colors of green common to
folliage??? The lighter and the darker??? See sets 4588 Off-Road Race Track,
and 4727 Aragog in the Dark Forest for shade comparisons (no pun!).
As I have said before, if you are going to introduce and mass produce the New
Dark/Light Greys and Brown, you had better leave them alone for a very long time
so I (and others) can build up a opposing supply to match our "Real Dark/Light
Grey and Brown". I need at least as much new grey as I have old grey to make
structures convincing. That is, if TLC (LEGO) wants me to buy new product. New
colors either go away as a very bad dream NOW, or stay for a very long time
(i.e. 20 years+).
Another color that you need to add to your list is the recent Red Clay Tan color
that appears in the 7194 Yoda, 4728 Escape from Privet Drive, 4719 Quality
Quidditch™ Supplies and 4756 Shrieking Shack sets. That's a good color to
leave alone so we can build it up.
Other than that, I am shocked still at the apparent lack of concern for the 1x1
Brown Tile that never made it to production in the classic color. :o(
-Aaron-
Owner of Far Too Much ABS (BRICK) Product.
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On Fri, 7 May 2004, Aaron West wrote:
> Other than that, I am shocked still at the apparent lack of concern for the 1x1
> Brown Tile that never made it to production in the classic color. :o(
It was in both 4475 and 10124.
http://peeron.com/inv/parts/3070b
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TWS Garrison
http://www.morfydd.net/twsg/
Remove capital letters in address for direct reply.
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Jake,
I made the following suggestion in a separate thread
(http://news.lugnet.com/general/?n=47440), but just for completeness I’ll post
it in this too-long thread as well:
Don’t change any more colors, period.
There are already tons of colors, and TLC
seems to be adding more every day. But why bother modifying them by small (or
large) variations? They make MOCs look bad, sorting more hell, and people
angry. Sure, today we may say ‘keep tan the same’, but a few years from now,
people will have tons of the currently newer colors, like dark orange, and get
angry if you change it. Since “compatibility” is such a Lego mantra, TLC
should just stick with the colors as they are. Isn’t this pretty sensible?
Good luck with the continuing onslaught,
Roy
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[snip]
> But for sure, the colors above are locked, and considered universal. They're
> here for the very long term. Like a good club, once you're on the list, you're
> on the list.
>
> Jake
> ---
> Jake McKee
> Community Liaison
> LEGO Community Development
...unless some marketing yahoo decides you shouldn't be on the list, in which
case you can be removed from the list.
Seriously Jake...I think even using the term "locked" is ludicrous. {smile}
A wise man once almost said "The more things change, the more they...change."
.Steve
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