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    TECHNIC IS NOT DEAD!!! —Ronald Vallenduuk
   Check out this backhoe with 9(!!) pneumatic cylinders: (URL) this 8-wheeled fire truck with 6 steering wheels: (URL) there are more technic sets: (URL) (21 years ago, 4-Jan-03, to lugnet.general, lugnet.technic) ! 
   
        Re: TECHNIC IS NOT DEAD!!! —Allan Bedford
     (...) This is what I think of when I think of LEGO Technic models. This has a very realistic look to it. Very well done! Someone once asked me why I felt so strongly that the Jack Stone series was a bad move for the company. I told them that, "it (...) (21 years ago, 4-Jan-03, to lugnet.general, lugnet.technic)
    
         Re: TECHNIC IS NOT DEAD!!! —Larry Pieniazek
      (...) It looks a lot like an airport crash truck (a kind of fire truck) to me. Right down to the low slung body and fat all terrain wheels. The sickening lime green color is all the latest rage in crash truck colors, apparently.... (URL) that ugly (...) (21 years ago, 5-Jan-03, to lugnet.general, lugnet.technic)
     
          Re: TECHNIC IS NOT DEAD!!! —Allan Bedford
      (...) Yes, or ARFF's as they are affectionately known. But I should have qualified my proposal by saying, "if you asked the general public." Larry, you are far too knowledgeable when it comes to transportation, vehicles etc. to not see the vague (...) (21 years ago, 5-Jan-03, to lugnet.general, lugnet.technic)
     
          Re: TECHNIC IS NOT DEAD!!! —Larry Pieniazek
      Before reading any more of my reply, remember, I **agree** with you, I'm not very keen on the model either. Although... Nik likes it better than the backhoe. But then, he's 10. (...) How about this prototype? (URL) (from the site you referenced.... (...) (21 years ago, 5-Jan-03, to lugnet.general, lugnet.technic)
     
          Re: TECHNIC IS NOT DEAD!!! —Allan Bedford
      (...) Of course you do... why wouldn't you? ;) Don't worry Larry, I'm not interested in making this into a federal case. You make good points and I am not going to just pretend that my opinion is the only one. I certainly don't want to offend anyone (...) (21 years ago, 5-Jan-03, to lugnet.general, lugnet.technic)
    
         Re: TECHNIC IS NOT DEAD!!! —John Guerquin
      (...) I like the backhoe model as well, although I wonder if there are going to be any blue airtanks included... hopefully, since this looks like a large model using the 8466's large tires. It seems strange to me to have one technic set with 9 (...) (21 years ago, 5-Jan-03, to lugnet.general, lugnet.technic)
     
          Re: TECHNIC IS NOT DEAD!!! —Allan Bedford
       (...) Really? See the link near the bottom of this post. I think a lot of them are still traditional red, or often bright yellow. Just my opinion, I really can't back this up with any data. (...) Mechanism to do what do you think? I figure the two (...) (21 years ago, 5-Jan-03, to lugnet.general, lugnet.technic)
      
           Re: Technic is not dead!!! —John Guerquin
       (...) That was also my first guess, but my second guess is that one knob would rotate the water cannon, and the other would steer the 3 axles. As for other mechanisms hidden in the back.... not sure, but I would hope that a large-ish technic model (...) (21 years ago, 5-Jan-03, to lugnet.technic)
      
           Re: Technic is not dead!!! —Allan Bedford
       (...) Yes, on second thought, that makes more sense. I guess I was just seeing the wheels and not thinking of much else. Allan B. (21 years ago, 5-Jan-03, to lugnet.technic)
     
          Re: TECHNIC IS NOT DEAD!!! —Larry Pieniazek
      (...) earlier this year and saw those actual trucks or ones very like them. It's sort of what you'd get if you mixed that reviled lime green LEGO color with the standard LEGO yellow we love so much, and then added a bit of white to lighten things (...) (21 years ago, 5-Jan-03, to lugnet.general, lugnet.technic)
     
          Re: TECHNIC IS NOT DEAD!!! —Allan Bedford
      (...) O.K. I'm willing to bend on the lime green thing. At least that they are out there and in use. It's hard to argue with eyewitness sightings. But it doesn't mean I have to like it. :) (...) Wow. I'm not sure the trend has been as popular in (...) (21 years ago, 5-Jan-03, to lugnet.general, lugnet.technic)
     
          Re: TECHNIC IS NOT DEAD!!! —Dean Hystad
      (...) Must be something wrong with your eyes. Extensive studies have shown that this optic green (think that's the name) is the most visible color over a wide range of viewing conditions. Red is a really bad color in the dark and at twilight. Most (...) (21 years ago, 5-Jan-03, to lugnet.general, lugnet.technic)
     
          Re: TECHNIC IS NOT DEAD!!! —Allan Bedford
      (...) This is very likely. :) However, I really needed to do a double take to identify this ambulance yesterday. It simply didn't stand out against the other traffic, the grey of the sky or the snow. Not nearly as much as I would think it should. I (...) (21 years ago, 5-Jan-03, to lugnet.general, lugnet.technic)
    
         Re: TECHNIC IS NOT DEAD!!! —Øyvind Steinnes
       "Allan Bedford" <ExpertBuilder-DELET...otome.com> wrote in message news:H87rMF.3Ay@lugnet.com... (...) I totaly agree. I take 3 of that one, please! :) Can anyone see if there is a pnaumatic tank in there some place? I dont have one yet... (...) (...) (21 years ago, 5-Jan-03, to lugnet.general, lugnet.technic)
     
          Re: TECHNIC IS NOT DEAD!!! —Allan Bedford
      (...) Sorry, I didn't mean to give the wrong impression. I'm quite fond of the 'real' crash trucks. I think they are a wonderful blend of function vs. form. They are superbly rugged looking... something the LEGO model lacks woefully. It wasn't the (...) (21 years ago, 5-Jan-03, to lugnet.general, lugnet.technic)
    
         Re: TECHNIC IS NOT DEAD!!! —William R. Ward
      (...) It looks like an airport fire truck to me. Perhaps they look like that in Denmark? --Bill. (21 years ago, 6-Jan-03, to lugnet.general, lugnet.technic)
    
         Re: TECHNIC IS NOT DEAD!!! —Joseph Woolley
     I am happy to see both sets. I agree that the backhoe is the better of the two, but I will plan on getting at least one of each. Every set I have put together has taught me something; I am sure the fire truck (however futuristic? they made it look) (...) (21 years ago, 13-Jan-03, to lugnet.general, lugnet.technic)
   
        Re: TECHNIC IS NOT DEAD!!! —Jonathan Wilson
     (...) Releasing sets like that is NOT the way to get me to reach for my wallet. The 3 small mini sets look acceptable though. As for the backhoe, its got some good points (the large quantity of Pneumatics for one) but the worst point is that it (...) (21 years ago, 5-Jan-03, to lugnet.general, lugnet.technic)
   
        Re: Tech not dead —Steven Lane
     (...) Wow! 9 cylinders, that's unprecedented, It's also the same number as on my AK912 crane. The thought of adding pnumatics to the shovel on the original JCB had crossed my mind before. Jonathan Wilson's right, the lack of beams is appalling. The (...) (21 years ago, 5-Jan-03, to lugnet.general, lugnet.technic)
   
        Re: TECHNIC IS NOT DEAD!!! —John Barnes
     Yeah!! :) I think, despite the odd looks of some of the models, the message is clear - Technic as a name may have fallen by the wayside, at least in TLC's plans, but the idea behind the parts is still alive and well - "build working models". That (...) (21 years ago, 5-Jan-03, to lugnet.general, lugnet.technic)
   
        Re: TECHNIC IS NOT DEAD!!! —Bob Gomez
     As one who has spent alot of time in recent days complaining about the lack of new sets, I am thrilled with these new sets. I love the backhoe and I think the fire truck looks great too. Count me in to preorder these and get them as soon as Lego has (...) (21 years ago, 5-Jan-03, to lugnet.general, lugnet.technic)
   
        Re: TECHNIC IS NOT DEAD!!! —John Barnes
     Its worth taking a close look at some of the other items on marz. 4481 (a Star Wars set) seems to have some interesting looking ring gears. (What might once have been referred to as Technic parts ;) I wonder what options will exist to attach things (...) (21 years ago, 5-Jan-03, to lugnet.general, lugnet.technic)
    
         Re: TECHNIC IS NOT DEAD!!! —Rob Hendrix
     I too, am very interested in making some interesting project with those gears. I am wondering if they will mesh with gears already produced or only work with the mechanism included with that set. Now to dream up something good to build with (...) (21 years ago, 5-Jan-03, to lugnet.general, lugnet.technic)
   
        Re: TECHNIC IS NOT DEAD!!! —Ronald Vallenduuk
     A few observations about the new sets (now I've had the time to have a better look). First the fire truck. I've seen enough disaster movies to immediately recognize it as an airport firetruck. The color, oh well, maybe I'd prefer yellow or dayglow (...) (21 years ago, 5-Jan-03, to lugnet.general, lugnet.technic)
    
         Re: TECHNIC IS NOT DEAD!!! —Mark Neumann
       (...) I think the blue thing is supposed to be a hose reel. The white bit with the trans blue thing on top? That's a light bar isn't it? Mark (21 years ago, 5-Jan-03, to lugnet.general, lugnet.technic)
    
         Re: TECHNIC IS NOT DEAD!!! —John Guerquin
      (...) Agreed! I think those little sets are cute too. The truck seems to have a gear-driven dump mechanism, and the front end loader seems to have a gear-driven front bucket lifting/lowering mechanism. Prices appear to be 20 USD for the dump truck (...) (21 years ago, 5-Jan-03, to lugnet.technic)
    
         Re: TECHNIC IS NOT DEAD!!! —Paul Kleniewski
      hi dug my observations are: #. whole sets are done using liftarms i read on this group i think that lego is going to build models only from liftarms so these models are good point to start with it if it's true - they are builded with no bricks at (...) (21 years ago, 6-Jan-03, to lugnet.general, lugnet.technic)
     
          Re: TECHNIC IS NOT DEAD!!! —Tobbe Arnesson
      (...) The hose I most likely a thing for the non-existing (?) Technic figures to run around spraying with. The red bit is probably the noozle. The white thing in the back appears to be some sort of styling and a tan/gold disc can be seen. Perhaps (...) (21 years ago, 7-Jan-03, to lugnet.general, lugnet.technic)
    
         Re: TECHNIC IS NOT DEAD!!! —Ross Crawford
      (...) Maybe it controls the hose arm on top? (...) Looks like a hose. (...) I'd say definitely 6. (...) Very unlikely. But I don't think you need a tank when you're using the manual pump. (...) Looks like ordinary flex hose to me - dunno why it (...) (21 years ago, 6-Jan-03, to lugnet.general, lugnet.technic)
    
         Re: TECHNIC IS NOT DEAD!!! —Kim Andersen
     Hey Look at this picture: (URL) then this: (URL) last picture is just an proto type! Look at alle the wrong colors, the "old style" off valves, the back grab is "naked" there are missing some "styling"... There is missing one pneumatic pumps, and it (...) (21 years ago, 12-Feb-03, to lugnet.general, lugnet.technic)
   
        Re: TECHNIC IS NOT DEAD!!! —Tobbe Arnesson
     (...) (URL) so they're both yellow and backhoe's with the large wheels). I will probably get one of these, at least for the pneumatics. I hope it's a Technic turntable in the back of that thing for the backhoe. The front bucket looks like a new (...) (21 years ago, 6-Jan-03, to lugnet.general, lugnet.technic)
    
         Re: TECHNIC IS NOT DEAD!!! —Steven Lane
     (...) I hope it's not. A long pin or two vertically seperated hinges will work much better than a horizontal turntable. A hinge is often preferable in applications requiring a rotation of less than 180 degrees. The strenght of the hinge on a JCB (...) (21 years ago, 6-Jan-03, to lugnet.general, lugnet.technic)
    
         Re: TECHNIC IS NOT DEAD!!! —Tobbe Arnesson
     (...) I did not mean function-wise, I meant partwise. I'd like more turntables :) (...) That must be a sight... /Tobbe (21 years ago, 7-Jan-03, to lugnet.general, lugnet.technic)
    
         Re: TECHNIC IS NOT DEAD!!! —Steven Lane
     (...) So what your saying is 'I Hope lego do a bad job because I'll get the parts I want' :-). Even if that's not what you actually mean. I just buy them off Ebay, I have loads. (...) Check out this link (URL) (21 years ago, 7-Jan-03, to lugnet.general, lugnet.technic)
    
         Re: TECHNIC IS NOT DEAD!!! —Tobbe Arnesson
     (...) Yep :) (...) I too have a load but I don't buy parts from other sources then sets. (...) /Tobbe (21 years ago, 8-Jan-03, to lugnet.general, lugnet.technic)
   
        Re: TECHNIC IS NOT DEAD!!! —Avi Parvin
     Hello all, After reading all the threads of the original message, I would like to contribute my 2 cents, (before I’ll gladly give them, along with few hundred dollars more to Lego). 8454 – Funny how the more ugly set got more responds than the other (...) (21 years ago, 6-Jan-03, to lugnet.general, lugnet.technic)
    
         Re: TECHNIC IS NOT DEAD!!! —Paul Kleniewski
      (...) agreed under the back knob you can see the ball-pin the front knob is connected to it but the front knob seems to be enable to move in one direction only (...) i agree when i sharp a little bit the picture then it shows part-studs of engine (...) (21 years ago, 7-Jan-03, to lugnet.general, lugnet.technic)
    
         Re: TECHNIC IS NOT DEAD!!! —David Arnon
      (...) I'm not sure about that, perhaps the liftarm is just to support the knob. (...) I think the red thing is just the handle at the end of the hose. (...) That was also my initial thought. But... I think it's too good to be true. (...) Wow! What a (...) (21 years ago, 7-Jan-03, to lugnet.general, lugnet.technic)
    
         Re: TECHNIC IS NOT DEAD!!! —Adrian Egli
      "Avi Parvin" <parvin@netvision.net.il> wrote in message news:H8B4pB.n5@lugnet.com... (...) solved (...) to (...) Th family car is an idea I like to see more of too. But, let's take a moment to look at the auto manufactures and market consists of in (...) (21 years ago, 7-Jan-03, to lugnet.general, lugnet.technic)
    
         Re: TECHNIC IS NOT DEAD!!! —Øyvind Steinnes
      "Avi Parvin" <parvin@netvision.net.il> wrote in message news:H8B4pB.n5@lugnet.com... (...) (Don't (...) When the set is avaiable I will buy a few sets and try everything :) (Hope there is a tank in the set, because I dont have one yet) The fun with (...) (21 years ago, 7-Jan-03, to lugnet.general, lugnet.technic)
    
         Re: TECHNIC IS NOT DEAD!!! —Jennifer Clark
      "Øyvind Steinnes" <senniets@online.no> wrote in message news:H8Cq6z.Hw1@lugnet.com... (...) You get one with this: (URL) (21 years ago, 8-Jan-03, to lugnet.general, lugnet.technic)
    
         Re: TECHNIC IS NOT DEAD!!! —Tobbe Arnesson
     (...) Shorter non-wrapped URL: (URL) 5218 TECHNIC Pneumatic Pack. /Tobbe (21 years ago, 8-Jan-03, to lugnet.general, lugnet.technic)
   
        I still prefer the 8862 backhoe. Much better IMHO!! —Stéphane Simard
   (...) Meh. The 8862 backhoe is better, in my opinion. I like how it uses a mix of pneumatics and gears+axles. I love the solid chunky tires of 8862, and they fit much better a heavy tractor than the air filled balloon tires of 8466. (Which *do* fit (...) (21 years ago, 20-Jan-03, to lugnet.general, lugnet.technic)
 

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