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Re: Discussion of Train Table Sizes
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Thu, 16 Dec 2004 17:58:16 GMT
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Just to expand a little on Tim's reply:
In lugnet.trains.org, Tim David wrote:
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> > First, model railway clubs pay you to hire a van? How does that work? Why
> > would they pay you?
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> The standard thing for UK model railway exhibitions is that the organisers pay
> travelling expenses (i.e. van hire and petrol (gas)) within reason and normally
> provide lunch for exhibitors. (Traders of course have to pay to be there)
At a UK model railway exhibition the layouts are what draw the public in, making
gate money, so layout exhibitors are paid van hire and fuel expenses (reimbursed
on production of receipts) and are provided with lunch each day (usually
volunteer produced) and overnight accommodation (usually B&B) if they have to
travel for more than 1 hour to get to the venue.
There are usually about twice as many traders as layouts, and traders have to
arrange their own transport (many have their own vans), pay for their lunch and
accommodation (which may be arranged for them along with exhibitors - it
varies). Traders typically sell either books, videos/DVDs, modelling kits,
parts, tools or railway models and their fees buy an amount of stall space,
probably in multiples of 6ft or whatever the venue's table size is.
The attendance of model railway societies is fund-neutral. They arrange their
own transport and accommodation but don't have to buy table space and may be
given lunch.
A venue would typically take a flat fee plus a percentage of the gate receipts.
I know one local to me takes about £5000 (>$9000) plus 7.5% of the gate, for a
two-day show including Friday set-up. This includes provision of staff to
manage the vanue and box-office. The expected gate numbers are around 3500 for
that show, which has 40 layouts and 80-odd traders. The total expenditure
(venue + publicity + exhibitors' expenses) is about £19000, with takings
(traders' fees + advertising in the brochure + gate receipts) around £22000.
The profit goes towards the model railway hobby in the organising club.
> > Second, did you realize that while some enlightened Americans may have heard of
> > a Ford Transit, they've probably never seen one? And the Mondeo is a complete
> > mystery. Car makes have a peculiar habit of not using the same product names -
> > or even models - in different countries. I know the Transit is a kind of van,
> > vaguely similar in appearance to a Mercedes-Benz Sprinter (which we do have now,
> > under the Freightliner and now Dodge nameplate)
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> A Transit (http://www.ford.co.uk/ie/transit/-/- )is similar to a Sprinter but a
> bit smaller. As they come in different length and height configurations I would
> say that the longest wheelbase one is about the size of a Sprinter. (Of course
> the main difference is that Sprinters are much faster, their normal habitat is
> in the fast lane doing 95mph!)
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> A Mondeo (http://www.ford.co.uk/ie/mondeo/-/- ) is a mid size family car,
> (probably counts as a compact in the US ;-) ) Mark has the estate (stationwagon)
> version.
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> Tim
A Ford Transit van is what I would call a medium size van. Small vans are based
on a car chassis and large ones are as big as you get before a 7.5 tonne lorry.
British traffic law allows car drivers to drive a 3.5 tonne van on a car
licence, with the van hire company providing insurance for the hire period as
part of the deal. Space inside a long-wheelbase Transit is approximately 9'8"
long, 5'6" wide (less between rear wheels) and 6' high. the short wheelbase
version is about 7' long in the back. Both do about 25 MPG on a long run. The
vans you hire are usually the less-powerful versions and they struggle to do
more than 70mph, except down hills. Sprinters are more expensive to hire and
are a lot faster, as the name suggests.
A Ford Mondeo estate is a large family car in European terms, being the largest
available Ford car (before MPVs and 4x4s are considered). It comfortably seats
5 adults and has trunk space of 1900 litres with the back seats down, which is
the biggest trunk space of a standard car in Britain. Having had a Ford Fiesta
before (a super-mini), I'm enjoying the extra driving space and the storage box
between the front seats! I suppose a standard US station wagon dwarfs it
though. I considered an MPV but they guzzle more fuel and lean more on the
corners (lots of corners on British roads!) and I don't have kids so I don't
need 7 seats. It holds my small (8'x6') layout well.
Mark
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| (...) Yes, that's similar to how it's done in the US, except that here they just pay a predetermined flat appearance fee to each participating club rather than trying to pay actual expenses. We don't get lunch though. What puzzled me was the (...) (20 years ago, 20-Dec-04, to lugnet.trains.org)
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| (...) I see. I'm surprised though that you only seem to be considering hired vans. Don't ordinary citizens own vans or small trucks in the UK? We transport our tables to shows in the van belonging to one of our members (Bruce Chamberlain) - a late (...) (20 years ago, 20-Dec-04, to lugnet.trains.org)
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| (...) The standard thing for UK model railway exhibitions is that the organisers pay travelling expenses (i.e. van hire and petrol (gas)) within reason and normally provide lunch for exhibitors. (Traders of course have to pay to be there) (...) A (...) (20 years ago, 16-Dec-04, to lugnet.trains.org)
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