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In lugnet.trains, Mark Bellis wrote: (URL) (...) Doing a halfway decent intermodal terminal (portside or just a flatyard like the ones around Chicago) will chew up a LOT of copies of this set even after you selectively compress down from 50 tracks (...) (19 years ago, 3-May-05, to lugnet.trains, FTX)
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(...) Well, lessee. Each set comes with 1 pivot truck and 2 end trucks. With 2 sets, we get 2 pivots and 4 end trucks. A 3 well requires 2 pivots and 2 end trucks, and the single requires 2 end trucks. That seems to work for me. The ends require (...) (19 years ago, 3-May-05, to lugnet.trains, FTX)
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In lugnet.trains, Larry Pieniazek wrote: (snip idle speculation) And that reminds me, I wonder if a 5 unit version of this car will have the same minor problem mine does (and that many TGV and Talgo models do as well)? It tends to come loose at the (...) (19 years ago, 3-May-05, to lugnet.trains, FTX)
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(...) I think what he means (and what I'd also like to know) is: Are there enough spare parts in the set to turn the two end bogies into another middle bogie, so that one set can be re-arranged to extend a consist by two pockets. Then two sets could (...) (19 years ago, 3-May-05, to lugnet.trains, FTX)
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(...) Wheels wise, sure. But unless we know how the pivots are designed, maybe not. (for example if I had kitted out my articulated design and made it a 2 unit car, you wouldn't have enough parts with 3 copies to make a 5 unit car as you'd only have (...) (19 years ago, 3-May-05, to lugnet.trains, FTX)
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(...) It seems to me that 2 sets would allow one to build one 3 well car and 1 single well car, and that 3 sets would allow you to build one 5 well car and 1 single well car (in both cases with parts left over). JOHN (19 years ago, 3-May-05, to lugnet.trains, FTX)
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(...) Well that's precisely what I was driving at! You're no fun. (19 years ago, 3-May-05, to lugnet.trains, FTX)
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(...) That's because a lot of it starts off as US: (URL) Dash 8> (URL) Roster list of the BHPBilliton IRON ORE ROAD> JOHN (19 years ago, 3-May-05, to lugnet.trains, FTX)
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(...) I think what Matthew was asking was, is it possible to buy multiple sets and chain them together, or aren't there enough parts to make more mid-cars and mid-bogies? Jason R (19 years ago, 3-May-05, to lugnet.trains)
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(...) 100K is not too shabby at all. Bigger than most shows we do in the US actually. (...) Question: My read of AU prototype stuff (from the smattering I've seen mostly thanks to the good offices of AU AFOLS sharing their knowledge) is that while (...) (19 years ago, 3-May-05, to lugnet.trains)
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(...) This one looks pretty big (URL) (I must try to check it out one year). And there are many smaller shows across Australia each year. (...) Well, that's another good question. From the feedback we received at our first small show, I'd say (...) (19 years ago, 3-May-05, to lugnet.trains)
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(...) You are correct, sir. Typically these are configed in 1, 3, and 5 car consists. (Yes, I've seen one car running standalone on occasion, but not often) Honestly, this came down to a design decision on why we went with two cars. Three would have (...) (19 years ago, 3-May-05, to lugnet.trains)
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(...) Don't forget the single well car! Interestingly, whether at 1 or 3 or 5 wells, they are each considered one car. JOHN (19 years ago, 3-May-05, to lugnet.trains, FTX)
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(...) Well, what's distinct about the trains themselves? There's been some good comments so far but here's some more... -Two axle freight cars -Electric propulsion vs Diesel-Electric -Brighter colours -Advanced technology, eg, TGV, ICE. Overall? (...) (19 years ago, 3-May-05, to lugnet.trains)
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(...) Jake, I really like the set, and I'm always happy to have another train model to add to my collection, particularly modern frieght. But if I'm not mistaken a prototypical consist of these cars is either 3 or 5 at a time. So are there enough (...) (19 years ago, 3-May-05, to lugnet.trains)
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(...) Some of Paul Arzens work is typical for Algiers, France, the Netherlands and even Spain (and no doubt many more, he was the French company Alsthom's main designer for several decades): (URL) some of his later work (URL) are the striping, and (...) (19 years ago, 3-May-05, to lugnet.trains)
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(...) OK. I think we're getting bogged here though. I'd love to see way more sets in the range too, but my point stands, these sets are good for *a* large market. Not the only market, granted, but one that, prior to the ATSF F unit, had ZIP for (...) (19 years ago, 3-May-05, to lugnet.trains)
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(...) Living at 50 meters from the Deventer - Almelo tracks, I can give some examples of European train style: 1) no automatic couplers between freight cars 2) buffers (is that the right word for those round shock absorbers that each car end has two (...) (19 years ago, 3-May-05, to lugnet.trains)
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(...) Well, as someone who doesn't know enough about trains to know the difference between European and North American trains, I have to say that I really like this new set. I'm delighted that LEGO is offering this new set and plan to pick up 2 or 3 (...) (19 years ago, 3-May-05, to lugnet.trains, FTX)
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(...) They're not though - they don't work for European fans any more than they work for Americans. Just because they don't look like American prototypes you assume they must therefore satisfy everyone else, and they don't. You can't claim they're (...) (19 years ago, 3-May-05, to lugnet.trains)
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(...) It's not a historical oddity in Europe, where several companies are still producing incredible stuff and among scratch builders it's still populair because of the high degree of detailling compared to N vs the smaller footprint of h0 (it's h0 (...) (19 years ago, 3-May-05, to lugnet.trains)
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(...) In the Netherlands we have 4-6 BIG shows (read over 20k visitors, from NW-Europe) every year, plus dozens smaller ones (between dozens and a few hundred attendees) by local clubs and such. (...) The new "high speed train" doesn't look like (...) (19 years ago, 3-May-05, to lugnet.trains)
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As an Australian living in the UK I have to weigh in on this debate. (...) Nor do I. If I want realism I'll build it myself. If I want a nice Lego set, I don't care where it comes from (...) One thing I find is that American trains generally look (...) (19 years ago, 3-May-05, to lugnet.trains)
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(...) Maybe you're thinking of these UP locos: (URL) (19 years ago, 3-May-05, to lugnet.trains)
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In lugnet.trains, Larry Pieniazek wrote: <snip> (...) I'm kinda with Larry on this one--rtlToronto, a new additoin to the train show experience, has been doing 3-4 shows per year for the past few years. I know that Calum wants to keep things 'euro' (...) (19 years ago, 3-May-05, to lugnet.trains)
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(...) Fair cop. How big are train shows elsewhere though? How big is the market elsewhere? In Singapore, no one I talked to (small sample) had even heard of a train show! I suggest that there IS a market here, one worth trying to serve. The US (...) (19 years ago, 3-May-05, to lugnet.trains)
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(...) Not like that. I'm having trouble with Google, it keeps returning pictures of LEGO trains for all the search terms I used, not particularly useful, so I don't have a pic cite for you, but trust me. (...) No, that's what you're saying I'm (...) (19 years ago, 3-May-05, to lugnet.trains, FTX)
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(...) And I don't either, I just think its great that Lego is still producing trains, especially ones based on real prototypes (although slightly more generic ones would be good too) However you mention that this set will strike a chord when seen at (...) (19 years ago, 3-May-05, to lugnet.trains)
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Another well-balanced discussion evolving here I see... (...) Agreed, so far. (...) Er, perhaps that statement could be qualified a little. Maybe North American prototypes resonate with the American audiences that you tend to find attending American (...) (19 years ago, 3-May-05, to lugnet.trains)
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(...) Yes, I'll agree that the US doesn't really do four wheel vehicles However I have never really thought of the Lego wheelsets as being European as they have coil springs when the style of suspension with W irons represented had/have leaf springs (...) (19 years ago, 3-May-05, to lugnet.trains, FTX)
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(...) Well it would please the Daoist in me at least, if not the AdultFOL... Jason Railton (19 years ago, 3-May-05, to lugnet.trains)
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(...) And what did 19th century American wheels look like? What you're saying is, it doesn't look like anything current. Jason R (19 years ago, 3-May-05, to lugnet.trains, FTX)
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(...) American themed, European themed... at one level I don't care. Whatever LEGO produces, I (we) can do better(1). So any set is good, regardless of how it looks as a set, *IF* it has good parts. And I agree that this set looks like it will have (...) (19 years ago, 3-May-05, to lugnet.trains)
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(...) The question of Christian is revealing that the target audience for the TTX is clearly North American (initially desired by TLC or not). I mean european (non AFOL - the main part of TLC customers) audience don't know TTX, and have never seen a (...) (19 years ago, 3-May-05, to lugnet.trains)
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(...) Practically every US stock car runs on Bettendorf trucks, which resemble this (that Ross created): (URL) The TLG trucks are designed to resemble more of the single axle type for European stock cars. JOHN (19 years ago, 3-May-05, to lugnet.trains, FTX)
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(...) American trucks don't have wheel level individual springs. The individual wheels are typically unsprung, and ride in a truck frame that has springs either at the center beam (for freight) or at multiple places in a larger truck frame (for (...) (19 years ago, 3-May-05, to lugnet.trains, FTX)
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(...) Brickshelf?(1) Seriously, I think OnDrew did a boxcar with a flag motif, that might be what you are thinking of. 1 - couldn't resist. (19 years ago, 3-May-05, to lugnet.trains)
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(...) That's one interpretation. I'm not sure I agree, though. Another one is that it means NON transportation companies, that is, lessors and shippers. X is often appended to reporting marks(1) for equipment owned by NON transportation companies to (...) (19 years ago, 3-May-05, to lugnet.trains, FTX)
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TLG made 30 years or so worth of Euro style trains, time for the Americans to get a little attention. This set rocks! Looks spot on for the real thing, rivet counters be damned. :) Must...buy...more...TRAINS!!!1 -Stefan- (19 years ago, 3-May-05, to lugnet.trains)
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(...) I'll give you the buffers, but I don't see that the wheelsets are particularly European, in what way do you mean? Tim (19 years ago, 3-May-05, to lugnet.trains, FTX)
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