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Well, the subject says it all, isn't it? Why should I buy the caboose? TIA, Jeroen (23 years ago, 24-Jul-01, to lugnet.trains)
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The caboose is a warm place to rest and heat up some beans and make a pot of coffee. It also is a very good model. -- Bob Fay rfay@we.mediaone.net (URL) de Haan" <jeroendehaan@mac.com> wrote in message news:GGz4qz.JxH@lugnet.com... (...) (23 years ago, 24-Jul-01, to lugnet.trains)
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(...) I'm sure someone will elaborate on this, but... The train crews included the conductor, who would wacth the train so that if any car derailed, they would know. the caboose also allowed protection of the rear of the train, so that other trains (...) (23 years ago, 24-Jul-01, to lugnet.trains)
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(...) Primary uses were: - Provide a place for the conductor and brakeman to ride - Provide an office for the conductor to do his paperwork - Provide a place to cary various things neccessary to maintenance and operation of the train - Provide a (...) (23 years ago, 24-Jul-01, to lugnet.trains)
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(...) True (or was true back in the old days) (...) False. It's a better model than recent TLC efforts but it's not "very good". Search the net and you'll find far better. Mike Walsh has one for sale that is way better, in part because it has the (...) (23 years ago, 24-Jul-01, to lugnet.trains)
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(...) I'm partial to mine:-) (URL) Mike Walsh has one for sale that (...) (23 years ago, 24-Jul-01, to lugnet.trains)
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Larry, You mentioned in the Train Summit thread ( (URL) ) that the lead Lego Train Designer, Jorn Kristian Thomsen, was in attendance. Are the new My Own Trains his work? Bryan "Larry Pieniazek" <lpieniazek@mercator.com> wrote in message (...) (23 years ago, 24-Jul-01, to lugnet.trains)
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(...) The best reason to build a caboose is because a caboose is a classic and romanticized part of trains. Everyone loves a caboose. Why buy LEGO's caboose? It looks like a fairly good model (don't have one yet), or it is a good source of parts. If (...) (23 years ago, 24-Jul-01, to lugnet.trains)
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"Christopher Masi" <cmasi@cmasi.chem.tulane.edu> wrote in message news:3B5DADD5.992054...ane.edu... (...) But not outside the USA where we don't have them. We do have Guard's Vans though. Similar function, but usually a different design. They too (...) (23 years ago, 24-Jul-01, to lugnet.trains)
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(...) Chris- This is a very nice MOC, Chris-- the best caboose I've seen yet.... -John (...) (23 years ago, 24-Jul-01, to lugnet.trains)
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(...) I like yours better. The only problem (smirk) with your 14-wide caboose, is that it doesn't even look like LEGO. Thanks, Chris (23 years ago, 25-Jul-01, to lugnet.trains)
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(...) You don't love cabooses? How weird. I suppose you hate trolleys too ;) Chris (23 years ago, 25-Jul-01, to lugnet.trains)
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<snip> Everyone loves a caboose. (...) I either think that Lawrence doesn't have a lot of exposure to cabooses, or thinks they are too "american" for him. (then again, I don't want to speak for him.....) Oh I absolutely love Cabooses and Trolleys. I (...) (23 years ago, 25-Jul-01, to lugnet.trains)
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(...) I'm curious. Does ANYONE use cabooses anymore? The last time I remember seeing a caboose on a train was sometime in the early 90s. At the time I lived right next to a series of railroad tracks, one right next to the other. Only around 50 or 60 (...) (23 years ago, 25-Jul-01, to lugnet.trains)
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(...) I don't think that US prototype modellers like four-wheel waggons and buffers on the end of their cars. But we must learn to compromise-LEGO® train models are geared towards a European/UK appearance. I myself like Euro-style trains, big, 8W (...) (23 years ago, 25-Jul-01, to lugnet.trains)
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"Christopher Masi" <cmasi@cmasi.chem.tulane.edu> wrote in message news:3B5E4219.79B21C...ane.edu... (...) I didn't say I don't love them. They are a quaint design. What I was pointing out is that outside of the USA they are not a classic and (...) (23 years ago, 25-Jul-01, to lugnet.trains)
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(...) Funny, today I received the caboose set and on the bill it says: "10014 Guard's Van". So there you have it! -Frank (23 years ago, 25-Jul-01, to lugnet.trains)
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(...) :-) To *me*, the ultimate compliment. My idea of SNOT design is to tile or slope *everything*{:^D Last night a friend was over and he was checking out our train layout, which is under heavy construction. I had my buildings piled up in the (...) (23 years ago, 25-Jul-01, to lugnet.trains)
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"Frank Buiting" <frank.buiting@infopulse.nl> wrote in message news:GH0t2o.MwM@lugnet.com... (...) Do you call them 'Guards Van' in Holland? (Dutch equivalent of course) Can't imagine you call them a Caboose. regards lawrence (23 years ago, 25-Jul-01, to lugnet.trains)
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(...) Well, I may have good news for you Lawrence. My colleagues at work are now consulting over new 'Intermediate Modes' schemes for London (due to the huge success of Croydon Tramlink) and the result may be trolleybuses in Greenwich, Uxbridge Road (...) (23 years ago, 25-Jul-01, to lugnet.trains)
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"Simon Bennett" <simon.bennett@ntlworld.com> wrote in message news:GH10K4.B15@lugnet.com... (...) Blackpool? (...) I meant quiet by the way! (...) Interesting. I guess that in some respects the infrastructure cost is not necessarily any different (...) (23 years ago, 25-Jul-01, to lugnet.trains)
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(...) PHEW! I'd gone into a bit of a panic the last day or two ... as my WWII German train nears completion, I decided to add a caboose-like car because I was fascinated by the interior detailing that could be added - and then this topic comes (...) (23 years ago, 25-Jul-01, to lugnet.trains)
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(...) I suspect the guards van doesn't have the same romaticism as the caboose because it wasn't so much a living quarters. Trains are also heavily romanticized in the US because of their role in developing the nation (we wouldn't be arguing about (...) (23 years ago, 25-Jul-01, to lugnet.trains)
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(...) Definitely. I'm glad to see LEGO provide some American style equipment. (...) That is NOT absolutely NOT a caboose. It's a coach. (23 years ago, 25-Jul-01, to lugnet.trains)
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(...) [snip] (...) I have had my 10014 just at hand - here is a view inside the caboose: (URL) is not so great, that you should overtake it. Of course we are able to do things a little better, but it is great, that the caboose has any interieur at (...) (23 years ago, 25-Jul-01, to lugnet.trains)
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(...) And you're also a freak... The rest of the GMLTC refers to John as 'the guy who doesn't want his LEGO constructions to look like LEGO'. Maybe it's a good thing that he seldom builds anything that ends up on our layout! JohnG, GMLTC (23 years ago, 25-Jul-01, to lugnet.trains)
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(...) Tram, There's a Tram less then a mile from were I live, and it has no over head power supply, and runs on 3 (yes 3) rail, the middle being a gear, to climb a steep grade (like 15% grade, or something). If Larry reads this he may know what i'm (...) (23 years ago, 25-Jul-01, to lugnet.trains)
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(...) I saw a CSX train near Harper's Ferry, WV with a bay window caboose as recently as a year and half ago. It might have been a freak occurance though. (...) neat story. -chris (23 years ago, 25-Jul-01, to lugnet.trains)
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(...) Burlington (early 90's Burlington Northern, Now Burlington Northern Santa Fe)... Railroad, however (...) I like the story though, I wish I lived that close... Last time I saw a caboose was 3 weeks ago, parked on a spur with a rusty older snow (...) (23 years ago, 25-Jul-01, to lugnet.trains)
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"Frank Filz" <ffilz@mindspring.com> wrote in message news:3B5EC557.6488@m...ing.com... (...) [ ... snipped ... ] (...) Philadelphia probably has the same variety of transit options that Boston has. They still have those goofy electric SEPTA busses (...) (23 years ago, 25-Jul-01, to lugnet.trains)
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(...) I was on a steam excursion trip July 15th, and we were passed by a freight train with a caboose at the end. It was pretty dark by then, so I couldn't see if anyone was actually riding in the caboose. Sure was neat to see one rolling, though! (...) (23 years ago, 25-Jul-01, to lugnet.trains)
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(...) But does Philly opperate commuter ferries? Just a question I don't know a lot about Philadelphia. Eric Kingsley (23 years ago, 25-Jul-01, to lugnet.trains)
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(...) There is frequently a caboose sitting outside the Dow Chemical yard between outgoing trains, and it sometimes goes away, and is sometimes a different caboose, so I'd guess that it's getting attached to outbound trains, and getting dropped off (...) (23 years ago, 25-Jul-01, to lugnet.trains)
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(...) Sydney has (in rough order of actual usefulness): conventional bus, heavy rail (suburban and interurban trains), ferries (various conventional and catamarans), light rail (trams recently re-established on the outskirts of the CBD), and a (...) (23 years ago, 25-Jul-01, to lugnet.trains)
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(...) Yep, most railroads still have them. It's just that they tend to get used on local trains only now (A FRED is cheaper for mainline, when you are not switching the train at all). Because the crew is 3 on most mainline runs (or even 2), you (...) (23 years ago, 25-Jul-01, to lugnet.trains)
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(...) Yep. It was really cool living so close to a railroad up in Wisconsin. I wish I still lived there at times. :-) (23 years ago, 25-Jul-01, to lugnet.trains)
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(...) Where in Wisconsin? Josh (23 years ago, 25-Jul-01, to lugnet.trains)
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(...) I used to live in La Crosse, Wisconsin. (23 years ago, 25-Jul-01, to lugnet.trains)
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(...) I'm not Larry (insert your own comment here!), but I'll toss out an answer anyway: I don't know if Jorn designed the all the MOT sets, but I'll bet he did. He has been pretty much the *only* train designer for several years. It was fun to (...) (23 years ago, 25-Jul-01, to lugnet.trains)
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(...) Ah, I live in Upper Michigan. Josh (23 years ago, 25-Jul-01, to lugnet.trains)
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(...) Ok, let's see if I can list all the types Boston has (I am including some types Sydney certainly has): subway light rail (both above and underground) (subway and light rail above ground run both on dedicated right of way and in the median) (...) (23 years ago, 25-Jul-01, to lugnet.trains)
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(...) We don't use the term tram for anything at all in the US, IIRC. The conveyance Josh is referring to runs down Quincy hill from the Quincy Mine to the MTU classroom mine (yes, it's a mine that has classrooms and labs where you get to drill in (...) (23 years ago, 25-Jul-01, to lugnet.trains)
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(...) Can you comment on what ideas on the new sets were borrowed from the MOC's that you (all of you) brought? I noticed that the Caboose and the Coach are the first train cars to feature town doors. Not really a new idea, but our MOC's started (...) (23 years ago, 25-Jul-01, to lugnet.trains)
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(...) That's a tough question and one I am not sure is a fruitful vein to mine. Suppose I convince myself that the log flat looks a lot like my bulkhead flat? (it doesn't, to me, anyway but suppose) What then? I am just glad that things are (...) (23 years ago, 26-Jul-01, to lugnet.trains)
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(...) I understand why you wouldn't want to comment, but I just thought it was a neat that a LEGO designer might get ideas from LEGO fanatics. If the community knew what MOC's were brought to the summit, then we(I) could speculate in private or in (...) (23 years ago, 26-Jul-01, to lugnet.trains)
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Further to the caboose debate, here is a british guards van (URL) is one of the last design that British Railways (as it was then), built in the sixties. They were used to provide extra braking in the days before wagons had automatic air brakes. (...) (23 years ago, 30-Jul-01, to lugnet.trains)
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(...) Seen from my European viewpoint, I've come up with the following solution to run this set in a modern European setting. Simply lower the elevated roof section to about a 1 brick heigth difference (use the windows elswhere), so that bump looks (...) (23 years ago, 30-Jul-01, to lugnet.trains)
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Now this is long and maybe too off-topic but I thought you trainheads might be interested in transport issues, let me know if I shouldn't post this sort of thing: (...) Lawrence wrote: (...) The life of a battery used in a bus application, which is (...) (23 years ago, 31-Jul-01, to lugnet.trains)
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"Simon Bennett" <simon.bennett@ntlworld.com> wrote in message news:GHCGIB.4Gx@lugnet.com... (...) <big snip> Thanks Simon Facinating what you can learn discussing Lego :-) regards lawrence (23 years ago, 31-Jul-01, to lugnet.trains)
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To get the discussion back on Lego track again: I've recieved my copy of the Caboose set today, and I've discovered two worthwhile modifications. First, for the elevated section, if you position the red plates 1 x 4 underneath the pairs of black (...) (23 years ago, 31-Jul-01, to lugnet.trains)
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Manfred, Thanks for this redesign of the Caboose. It is a great improvement in the appearance and the steps are certainly more secure. -- Bob Fay rfay@we.mediaone.net (URL) Moolhuysen" <moom@nospamchello.nl> wrote in message (...) (23 years ago, 1-Aug-01, to lugnet.trains)
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In lugnet.trains, Simon Bennett writes: <snip some very interesting info> Good info on the reasons why monorails just aren't that practical. The example people always trot out about the Wuppertalbahn kind of highlights the right of way issues! It (...) (23 years ago, 1-Aug-01, to lugnet.trains)
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(...) Actually, flywheel is perfectly practical. Sentinel (once again!) made a loco that was powered by, IIRC, 2 2 ton flywheels, and it was reasonably capable (but expensive). I tend to think that a flywheel drive system is more practical for bus (...) (23 years ago, 1-Aug-01, to lugnet.trains)
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Hi a;;, Since I started this thread (about 3 years ago, he he) I bought and recieved the caboose. It's nice! Only thing to yap about is that the elevated section, which is closed at the bottom with a 4 x 6 plate... Could have done better/different (...) (23 years ago, 1-Aug-01, to lugnet.trains)
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(...) Not disputing that. Just not sure that a 30K RPM graphite in an evacuated can with magnetic bearings is, at this moment, "perfectly" practical. Not just yet. But the notion of powering up at stops (think regular electric bus poles that instead (...) (23 years ago, 1-Aug-01, to lugnet.trains)
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(...) On similar lines London Underground has a proposal for (and is testing) a scheme using flywheels mounted trackside. The principle is that current generated by braking trains (back EMF?) drive the flywheels and accelerating trains use the (...) (23 years ago, 2-Aug-01, to lugnet.trains)
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(...) Why flywheels? Why not just put the power back into the mains? (regenerative braking) US electric locos do this, I believe... In this case the flywheels seem to add a layer of complexity (and a source of loss) that isn't needed unless I am (...) (23 years ago, 2-Aug-01, to lugnet.trains)
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"Larry Pieniazek" <lpieniazek@mercator.com> wrote in message news:GHGAxL.FyL@lugnet.com... (...) (regenerative (...) It's very common in the rapid transit / metro industry. I'm not aware of any full-scale trains (ie, any systems other than rt or (...) (23 years ago, 3-Aug-01, to lugnet.trains)
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(...) I thought they were using flywheels in diesels, but I couldn't find too much. Most of the braking power though is supplied not by charging a battery, but by dissipating the energy through resistors (some portion of those cooling fans are (...) (23 years ago, 3-Aug-01, to lugnet.trains)
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(...) I hadn't heard of ANYONE doing this for any serious energy storage (most reciprocating engines use flywheels to smooth out the motion generated, of course, but this would be different). Do you have any info on where you heard this? (...) Some (...) (23 years ago, 3-Aug-01, to lugnet.trains)
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(...) other fallen flag railroads' reference site: (URL) halfway down this page, you find operator manuals for the S-1, S-2, RS-1,C420, E-8, F-7, GP-7, GP-35 and several U-series locomotives. Neat stuff. -chris (23 years ago, 3-Aug-01, to lugnet.trains)
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