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(...) Well, no one seemed to mind when Obi-Wan or Luke did it in the first trilogy... "These aren't the droids you're looking for" and "You will take me to Jabba now" etc, etc. I think Jedi believe that the ends justify the means. They look at the (...) (25 years ago, 6-Jun-99, to lugnet.starwars)
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[Spoiler space reintroduced] (...) But the use of the JMT in the 'first' trilogy was typically for immediate goals. Obi-wan's uses were particularly defendable. I think he only did two JMT's: 1. The infamous "these aren't the droids you're looking (...) (25 years ago, 7-Jun-99, to lugnet.starwars)
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(...) evil.< Actually, his money WAS legit. What he didn't understand was, even though they were technically in Republic territory.. they were so far away, that no one placed much value in the currency.. Hard goods were much more valuable. Just like (...) (25 years ago, 7-Jun-99, to lugnet.starwars)
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Once upon a time, (on Mon, 7 Jun 1999 17:03:33 GMT, to be precise!), Steve Bliss uttered the following profundities.... (...) Well, from a certain point of view.... :o) A real-life example, and one which is relevant to this scene. The US dollar, (...) (25 years ago, 7-Jun-99, to lugnet.starwars)
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(...) To use another real-life example- of a worst-case scenario, even: Let's say a Jedi is travelling the real world. He unexpectedly ends up in, say, Tokyo. He has only American dollars, no Yen. American dollars are still worth *something*, (...) (25 years ago, 8-Jun-99, to lugnet.starwars)
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(...) if (...) as (...) bugger (...) Don't you think that you are going for honesty more than enough? They are in a battle of good (i.e. innocent - naboo/gungan people) and evil (trade federation). Do you think that profit of a salvaged parts seller (...) (25 years ago, 8-Jun-99, to lugnet.starwars)
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In regards to Jedi ethics - Tatooine is not governed by rule of law. It is instead governed by crime lords- Hutts. Thus Qui Gonn stealing a power whatsit or using undue Jedi mind tricks is perfectly in line with the law of the land. What is "legal" (...) (25 years ago, 8-Jun-99, to lugnet.starwars)
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(...) Oh, I apologize. I thought the Jedi Knights stood for higher, universal values. Ideals like honor and justice. Steve (25 years ago, 8-Jun-99, to lugnet.starwars)
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(...) Yes. The shopkeeper has said he won't take the dollars, and the Jedi is trying to get around that, just because it's easier for him. (...) Expedient != Good Expedient + Assumption != Good (...) The issue here is mind control, depriving others (...) (25 years ago, 8-Jun-99, to lugnet.starwars)
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(...) A real life example of this, is the vandalism to a car, and a kid (17) getting a caining in Singapore ... the kid is/was a US citizen, and everybody here was outraged that the punishment was so high ... but he did commit an offense. Star Trek (...) (25 years ago, 8-Jun-99, to lugnet.starwars)
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(...) whatsit (...) land. (...) I've always _liked_ the fact that Jedi aren't all goodness and light. I like the fact that GL emphasized that in TPM. They're not some ridiculous epitome of honor and justice, in the same way that paladins aren't. (...) (25 years ago, 8-Jun-99, to lugnet.starwars)
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J-Men HQ <jmen@visi.net> wrote in message news:FCvz6B.9rH@lugnet.com... (...) if (...) That is not the same. He used his abilities to outwit KNOWN enemies. For all QGJ knew, Watto might have been the commander of a whole army of little blue freaks (...) (25 years ago, 9-Jun-99, to lugnet.starwars)
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Steve Bliss <blisses@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message news:375d2662.597576...net.com... (...) Right. And once again I will cite a prior movie scene: Luke: "Is the Dark Side stronger?" Yoda: "No. Easier. More seductive. Quicker to enter a fight." (...) (25 years ago, 9-Jun-99, to lugnet.starwars)
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Selçuk <teyyareci> <sgore@nospam.superonline.com> wrote in message news:FCzxF7.5Ho@lugnet.com... (...) I don't think so. What he did and how he did it reminds me of the scene in SW where Vader chokes the guy using the Force, saying "I find your (...) (25 years ago, 9-Jun-99, to lugnet.starwars)
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Roger Connor <hokiepoke@aol.com> wrote in message news:FD0BII.Gvo@lugnet.com... (...) whatsit (...) land. (...) That's true. But we are not talking about "legalities" here. We are talking about a persons MORALS. What if he had unknowingly landed on (...) (25 years ago, 9-Jun-99, to lugnet.starwars)
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James Brown <galliard@shades-of-night.com> wrote in message news:FD0oHC.7uq@lugnet.com... (...) ours (...) mind (...) Take a closer look at SW then. When the famous "These aren't the droids You're looking for" scene is over, Luke says something (...) (25 years ago, 9-Jun-99, to lugnet.starwars)
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(...) say (...) mighty (...) a (...) But I think that any Jedi is not a budist father, nor Mahatma Gandhi (it was one of the greatest leaders on earth from any point of view, by the way, but it's another stýory). And QGJ was just working for the (...) (25 years ago, 9-Jun-99, to lugnet.starwars)
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In lugnet.starwars, Kevin Bane writes:>Even though it might have been legal to steal (and I SERIOUSLY doubt that (...) I am interested in the =source= of these "highest of ethics and moral values." Did the Jedi just invent them or are they inherent (...) (25 years ago, 9-Jun-99, to lugnet.starwars)
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(...) <blink> Really? I recall that exchange being much more along the lines of "how did we get out of that", and Ben replying "the weak-minded are easily influenced" I have absolutely no recollection of justification in that scene... hmm, have to (...) (25 years ago, 9-Jun-99, to lugnet.starwars)
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Once upon a time, (on Tue, 8 Jun 1999 14:58:07 GMT, to be precise!), Lee Jorgensen uttered the following profundities.... (...) At first, I found myself looking for footnote #17! Then of course it clicked..... I never did here the outcome of that (...) (25 years ago, 9-Jun-99, to lugnet.starwars)
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He got it, and I am glad. As the saying goes, you do the crime, you do the time, no matter what country you are in. Scott Sanburn (...) (25 years ago, 9-Jun-99, to lugnet.starwars)
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James Brown <galliard@shades-of-night.com> wrote in message news:FD2H3G.8z8@lugnet.com... (...) of (...) It may have been the book or maybe even the radio version, but I am pretty sure that it was in there. I can't remember exactly how it went, but (...) (25 years ago, 9-Jun-99, to lugnet.starwars)
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Alan G. Carmack <agcarmack@prodigy.net> wrote in message news:FD29Fu.Mu9@lugnet.com... (...) legal to (...) their (...) cool (...) Are [lots of religious stuff clipped] I believe, in the case of the SW "universe" that the mediclorians (or whatever (...) (25 years ago, 9-Jun-99, to lugnet.starwars)
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(...) getting (...) 4 strokes(shouda been 6) with two off cause bill clinton pleaded ;-) (25 years ago, 10-Jun-99, to lugnet.starwars)
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Once upon a time, (on Wed, 9 Jun 1999 00:43:24 GMT, to be precise!), Kevin B uttered the following profundities.... (...) The message sent to the queen, "The death toll is catastrophic...." A trace was made, and so he found them. (25 years ago, 10-Jun-99, to lugnet.starwars)
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(...) Actually, I think QGJ told OWK not to respond to any of the transmissions. They made it quite clear that the messages from Naboo were probably bait to lure them into responding. During my numerous visits to the theater, I did not see any (...) (25 years ago, 11-Jun-99, to lugnet.starwars)
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(...) Naah. I don't buy it. How could Maul trace the signal? And the guy who sent the signal must have been broadcasting it widely, because he didn't know where they went. So somebody must have replied. I thought it might have been when Padme came (...) (25 years ago, 11-Jun-99, to lugnet.starwars)
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(...) (Richard Dee) wrote: (...) precise!), Kevin B (...) where to find them? (...) catastrophic...." (...) the guy who sent (...) didn't know where (...) when Padme came (...) the message (...) it seemed at (...) Umm, wasn't it Anakin; Jar Jar was (...) (25 years ago, 11-Jun-99, to lugnet.starwars)
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Once upon a time, (on Fri, 11 Jun 1999 03:48:29 GMT, to be precise!), Terry K uttered the following profundities.... (...) Okay. Some communication devices talk to each other, despite there not being any particular response by the other party? Do (...) (25 years ago, 11-Jun-99, to lugnet.starwars)
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(...) D'Oh! Yep, it was Anakin, and he needed a blanket. I don't recall any reference to Maul being a Jedi. His training and skills would be similar, though. -- Terry K -- (25 years ago, 11-Jun-99, to lugnet.starwars)
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(...) training and skills (...) Hmm, that is true. We really don't know that for sure, but I thought that the Sith was the 'bad Jedi'. Wait, here's a exerpt from Star Wars Episode 1 Visual Dictionary DK Publishing Inc. p. 45 MAUL'S LIGHTSABER (...) (25 years ago, 12-Jun-99, to lugnet.starwars)
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Richard Dee <richard.dee@virgin.net> wrote in message news:MPG.11cb7503e6b...net.com... (...) Yes, some do. But others, like your TV, radio, and CBs do not. They just recieve messages over the airwaves. It may be that you are right and this is what (...) (25 years ago, 12-Jun-99, to lugnet.starwars)
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Once upon a time, (on Sat, 12 Jun 1999 03:48:13 GMT, to be precise!), Kevin B uttered the following profundities.... (...) I was choosing this explanation because being a Queen's ship, and therefore of somewhat greater diplomatic importance, that (...) (25 years ago, 12-Jun-99, to lugnet.starwars)
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(...) Guess that's why Lucas iced him at the end. Dave (25 years ago, 13-Jun-99, to lugnet.starwars)
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Richard Dee <richard.dee@virgin.net> wrote in message news:MPG.11cc1eea89c...net.com... (...) hee hee hee. Or they could have done it SW style and put a homing device on her ship before it left, just in case...... Naw, too obvious! Kevin B aka (...) (25 years ago, 14-Jun-99, to lugnet.starwars)
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