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On Thu, June 23, 2005 3:08 pm, Alexander Horoshilov said: (...) ... (...) ... (...) Sounds like a good idea. In fact, LEGO has produced several bricks that didn't require a computer. But, I don't think they were more popular than the "programmable" (...) (19 years ago, 23-Jun-05, to lugnet.robotics)
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(...) It is not what I wrote about. Microscout had very limited functionality in either programming abilities and in/out control as well. To be really expandable all abilities of RCX must be kept (or refined). Use of SD card (as written in another (...) (19 years ago, 24-Jun-05, to lugnet.robotics)
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On Thu, June 23, 2005 9:45 pm, Alexander Horoshilov said: (...) Sorry if I misunderstood you. But, actually, I was talking about the blue Scout, not the Microscout (from the droid developer kit) (...) So, what programs do you think TLC should write? (...) (19 years ago, 24-Jun-05, to lugnet.robotics)
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(...) Oh, It may be because of my cumbersome explanation. I do not have DDK and do not know about that Scout abilities. But I still expect that it is limited to some built-in programs only. Is it? (...) What programs? It is tough question. Classics (...) (19 years ago, 24-Jun-05, to lugnet.robotics)
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(...) The concept of making the number of attachable devices expandable (by having some kind of serial bus) would be an amazing step forward for the RCX - and then selling expansion kits with furthar expansion boards, motors and sensors would be (...) (19 years ago, 24-Jun-05, to lugnet.robotics)
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Citando Alexander Horoshilov <hor@demo.ru>: In lugnet.robotics, Steve Hassenplug wrote: > > Sorry if I misunderstood you. But, actually, I was talking about the blue Scout, > not the Microscout (from the droid developer kit) Oh, It may be because of (...) (19 years ago, 24-Jun-05, to lugnet.robotics)
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(...) Unless I misunderstood the thread - I thought the concept was that the inital box would come with some programs, you could buy others, or you could buy(or utilise) a module allowing the freedom to program from a PC. Its not restricting the (...) (19 years ago, 24-Jun-05, to lugnet.robotics)
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On Thu, June 23, 2005 11:18 pm, Alexander Horoshilov said: (...) I doubt there would be a big market for $10 programs. If you're trying to avoid the complexity of downloading programs, what if they just had a bunch of programs already in the RCX? (...) (19 years ago, 24-Jun-05, to lugnet.robotics)
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(...) Actually you just hit on something that would be a great asset for those of people who: *aren't interested in programming *don't have the required skills *don't have the time to write programs *are extremely lazy like myself and are looking (...) (19 years ago, 24-Jun-05, to lugnet.robotics)
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(...) "The idea" is to made Mindstorms attractive for those who do not like programming. If you do like, then you need and extra kit which will allow you to create your own programs like current RCX. You will able to create your own program. So (...) (19 years ago, 24-Jun-05, to lugnet.robotics)
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(...) Multiple programming bricks working together is very interesting idea, but it is not what was suggested. Actually, this step will limit users even more than current RCX does, because several programs need to be written and debugged, not one. (...) (19 years ago, 24-Jun-05, to lugnet.robotics)
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Sorry for not trimming.... Wouldn't writing some programs to go with the constructopedia that ships with the Mindstorms kit be a giveaway lossleader/download to introduce users to buying 'your' build instructions and programs? Say that you do a full (...) (19 years ago, 24-Jun-05, to lugnet.robotics)
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(...) Expansion kit, as I'm thinking about it, is not $10-20 program only. It will also include all parts needed for the robot. So complete kit would cost $25-30, two times cheaper than current expansions. I may be wrong with all these prices, but (...) (19 years ago, 24-Jun-05, to lugnet.robotics)
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(...) Yes, it is very good summary for people, who are targeted. I think that many of them do not like current RCX sets, but may like if something is changed. (...) Sorry, I do no think that this codebase would be very popular without support from (...) (19 years ago, 24-Jun-05, to lugnet.robotics)
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(...) I still think that plug-in conception is still very important. Download program from PC - is complex task, yes it is. Why do not eleminate this step? (...) Main goal of computer exclusion is to decrease complexity, not costs of starter set (...) (19 years ago, 24-Jun-05, to lugnet.robotics)
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(...) Since this keeps being phrased in terms of good markets, etc... how much of a market is there to tap here (i.e.- how many potential sales have been lost due to "RIS programming being to complicated"?). Having watched a group of 8-year-olds (...) (19 years ago, 24-Jun-05, to lugnet.robotics)
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(...) Brian, you've made very good points. I have neither: numbers for market share, nor real experience of techning kids to RCX programming. Actually, I do not even sure that this idea is so good. I hope it is, but it may be wrong for one or (...) (19 years ago, 24-Jun-05, to lugnet.robotics)
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(...) I have to agree. If you don't want to build programmable robots, why not just build a motorized model with a motor and battery box. The whole point of Mindstorms, as I see it, is that you "add" programming to a structure of Lego elements to (...) (19 years ago, 24-Jun-05, to lugnet.robotics)
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(...) The Blue Scout can be programmed just like the RCX - you can use NQC and send programs to it in exactly the same way with the IR tower. The main difference is that the Scout has less memory - so only small programs will fit. (...) I'm *very* (...) (19 years ago, 25-Jun-05, to lugnet.robotics)
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Isn't it a bit of a contradiction to have a person who wants to build robots, but doesn't want to program? A true robot, of the kind we see on this newsgroup, is a harmonious blend of decent programming and decent construction. If you take the (...) (19 years ago, 26-Jun-05, to lugnet.robotics)
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When I read this Idea about no programming, I thought you guys must be crazy. The programming is the coolest part of this system. I'd like to see Lego do more with the programming capabilities not less. -----Original Message----- From: (...) (19 years ago, 27-Jun-05, to lugnet.robotics)
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(...) The kit must include the program and all elements needed for specific design. It is important - the program only will not work. Most people will not bother with searching/buying separate parts. So there is no place for different designs - only (...) (19 years ago, 28-Jun-05, to lugnet.robotics)
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(...) Never I said, that RCX must have less programming capaiblities. All current features (there are not too many of them now) must be kept. They may be expanded, it is also good, but it is slightly different topic. (19 years ago, 28-Jun-05, to lugnet.robotics)
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(...) Yes, exactly - some models have to be just small step behind Technic. It will allow people to easy shift from "just Technic" to robotics. Currently, there are too large gap between Technic and Mindstorm, I think. If filled, it will allow (...) (19 years ago, 28-Jun-05, to lugnet.robotics)
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While I think mindstorms needs to be computer-programmable out of the box (ie no corner cutting by making the PC interface a seperate acessory), I'm intrigued by the concept of fixed programs as a robotics challenge - for many kinds of robot, far (...) (19 years ago, 28-Jun-05, to lugnet.robotics)
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Citando Steve Baker <sjbaker1@airmail.net>: Justin wrote: > A fly can land on the ceiling not > because it is smart (it isn't), but because it's body is built such that the > laws of physics themselves automate a process that would be prohibitively (...) (19 years ago, 28-Jun-05, to lugnet.robotics)
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Justin wrote: > A fly can land on the ceiling not (...) Don't be too hard on the fly's brain. A housefly has about a third of a million neurons. If you think of a neuron as being about the power of a transistor - then there is a computer that's more (...) (19 years ago, 29-Jun-05, to lugnet.robotics)
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(...) I'm not knocking the fly, I'm saying that landing on the ceiling is a very difficult problem to solve by realtime calculated piloting (even using a desktop PC). But it needs very little calculation at all if the problem is almost entirely (...) (19 years ago, 29-Jun-05, to lugnet.robotics)
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(...) I've been interested in estimates of insect (& arachnid) brain power for some time, with neuron counts, up-to-date analysis of cognitive abilities, etc. For some reason I've found this material hard to find online. Any references would be (...) (19 years ago, 3-Jul-05, to lugnet.robotics)
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(...) Human brain: 100,000,000,000 neurons. Bee brain: 1,000,000 neurons. Housefly: 300,000 neurons. Fruitfly: 400 neurons. Nematode: 100 neurons. Sea slug 7 neurons. The housefly is actually suprisingly smart for the insect world. I found somewhere (...) (19 years ago, 3-Jul-05, to lugnet.robotics)
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