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Re: RSS vs. Atom (was: Attention All RSS Geeks)
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Wed, 25 Aug 2004 12:28:08 GMT
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On Tue, Aug 24, 2004 at 11:20:46PM +0000, Kelly McKiernan wrote:
> That's a good question. I do think most feeds will end up being served
> from a centralized server, but that's not an absolute necessity. RSS
> links can be distributed, as in peer-to-peer networking, but it would
> be nice to have a centralized place. Probably the same server space as
> the DTD. It may end up being LEGOFan.org or something else, that's
> really TBD.
Why have a centralized server? I'd expect there be a list of feeds
someplace, and maybe mirroring of feeds... But it would make a lot of
sense to have each feed hosted off the service that generates it.
Unless LENNI wants to support remote publishing?
Here's a tangent - should LENNI support "pinging"?
> The way I see it, there are two things here: LEGO-related XML feeds
> without LENNI metadata; and XML aggregators that don't support LENNI-
> enhanced feeds.
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> The first, where we have "off-the-shelf" XML from an existing XML
> generator from a LEGO enthusiast site. Maybe a blogger, maybe
> something else. But it's something people will definitely be
> interested in reading. So I believe LENNI should accept this
> unmodified content. How it deals with unenhanced content via filtering
> is TBD. All applicable LEGO-related XML feeds would be fair game for
> inclusion in any LENNI feed list, enhanced or not.
Right. And basically mark the feeds as "unenhanced", and maybe assign
them some default properties.
> The second scenario is a LENNI-enhanced feed that is read by off-the-
> shelf aggregators. Optimally (and I think this is something that would
> happen whether we wanted it to or not), LENNI-specific elements are
> simply deprecated and not shown by the parsers. So somebody with a
> regular parser who accesses a LENNI-enhanced feed would see the normal
> XML elements (either RSS- or Atom-defined), but they wouldn't get the
> benefit of that extra content.
Again, right. Just need to try to fit as much of the data in the
standard fields, so that the least amount of info is lost.
...
> Wow, ask and ye shall receive. Good suggestions! I think some might be
> a bit redundant or granular, and I think a few are already defined in
> either RSS or Atom, but we can hash that out shortly.
Yes, very very cool list! :)
> > * "region" - [S] - i.e. North America, Middle and South America,
> > Europe, Australia, Asia, Far East etc. - useful to filter events.
> > * "country" - [S](?) - i.e. USA, Netherlands, Germany etc. - Maybe
> > too much choices to make this element standardized? But it would
> > be useful to find local news.
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> Agreed. It might even be possible to find an existing extension we
> could use that gets even more granular, if that's what's needed.
For country, we can just use the standard two letter abbriviations. I'd
expect to have region as a sub-category to country... A state, a
province, even maybe a city? Again, some existing standard would
be useful.
> > * "authority" - [S] - i.e. TLC, Legoland, privat, rumor etc. - from
> > where the source is.
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> I've gone back and forth on this one, I like the idea, but there's
> nothing preventing anyone from saying they are LEGO and putting out
> totally ficticious content.
Again - when you consume someone's feed, you have to be aware who's news
you're reading.
> > * "age" - [S] - i.e. AFOLs, Kids etc. or 3+, 4+, 5+ etc. - who could
> > be interested in that particular news
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> Absolutely essential. How granular should we get? AFOL/KFOL, or more
> specific?
I'm actually thinking either we just do three options (afol/kfol/all),
or age ranges (3-10, 9-99, etc).
> > * "???" - [S] - i.e. collector, builder, parents, seller, site
> > owners etc. what kind of LEGO Fan could be interested in.
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> Not sure I completely understand this one.
Is this perhaps a type of category? If it's an announcement of a new
web service, mark it as "webmasters". If it's a sale, "collector,
builder, parents". Not sure if this is redundant or not?
> > * "inside"(?) - false or true - to give site owners the possibility
> > to provide the news-item for all visitors or to members / visitors
> > who are logged in only etc. - maybe hard to handle.
>
> Not sure of the overall value for this, since the content provider
> doesn't have that much control over how another site packages
> their feed.
Right. If a news item should only be available to members, you
shouldn't post it in your feed - the feed is going to get read by a much
wider audience, without you having much control over it.
> > * "goodnews" - false or true - is it generally good news or bad
> > news. Maybe better would be [S] positive, neutral, negati
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> Boy, that's pretty subjective. I'm going to let others comment on this
> one first. ;)
Heh. It's so subjective, I'm not sure it would be useful. "LEGO
announces 20 new colors!" - Good news? Bad news? Would any 2 AFOLs
agree?
--
Dan Boger
dan@peeron.com
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