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Re: RSS vs. Atom (was: Attention All RSS Geeks)
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lugnet.publish
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Tue, 24 Aug 2004 23:20:46 GMT
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In lugnet.publish, René Hoffmeister wrote:
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Unfortunalety, I’m not able to write down my “technical” thoughts in English,
for my little brain, too much specific vocabulary is needed :-) So I have a
feeling I can’t participate in the technical discussion in a reasonable way.
But I would like to share some structural thoughts.
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Ha! You do better than many native-English speakers I deal with daily.
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- Providing the news from all participating sites on a central place (e.g. legofan.org)
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LEGOFan.org is a possibility, or one (or several) other sites could host
information about it. That’s one of the things I think is perfect for this
type of project - there doesn’t need to be a central site (except for the
namespace DTD).
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I’m not sure if I understand it correctly. You wrote, a central site is only
needed to specify the DTD. But I think, there have to be also a central site
collecting all news from all sites working with the LENNI criterions. If
not, how can a site owner pick essential information without scanning all
other sites by his own aggregator? Or do you have other plans like
synchronized RSS feeds on all participating sites and each site owner has to
filter it’s own public version by himself? Or maybe I have a wrong idea of
what you mean, in that case, my apology in advance :-)
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That’s a good question. I do think most feeds will end up being served from a
centralized server, but that’s not an absolute necessity. RSS links can be
distributed, as in peer-to-peer networking, but it would be nice to have a
centralized place. Probably the same server space as the DTD. It may end up
being LEGOFan.org or something else, that’s really TBD.
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I’d love to see as many sites as possible take advantage of LENNI-enhanced
features, but I think it’s also important to not exclude “raw” feeds as
well, e.g. those without the extra LEGO-specific elements.
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I agree with Dan that this should be a matter of those who are using the
enhanced news via LENNI. It’s up to everyone to exclude news which don’t
provide particular sub-elements of an item (or adopting it after reviewing it
manually). The same the other direction: AFAIK nearly all RSS-readers are
ignoring unspecified sub-elements, so even with many sub-elements,
LENNI-enhanced RSS feeds don’t have to be a private party.
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The way I see it, there are two things here: LEGO-related XML feeds without
LENNI metadata; and XML aggregators that don’t support LENNI-enhanced feeds.
The first, where we have “off-the-shelf” XML from an existing XML generator from
a LEGO enthusiast site. Maybe a blogger, maybe something else. But it’s
something people will definitely be interested in reading. So I believe LENNI
should accept this unmodified content. How it deals with unenhanced content via
filtering is TBD. All applicable LEGO-related XML feeds would be fair game for
inclusion in any LENNI feed list, enhanced or not.
The second scenario is a LENNI-enhanced feed that is read by off-the-shelf
aggregators. Optimally (and I think this is something that would happen whether
we wanted it to or not), LENNI-specific elements are simply deprecated and not
shown by the parsers. So somebody with a regular parser who accesses a
LENNI-enhanced feed would see the normal XML elements (either RSS- or
Atom-defined), but they wouldn’t get the benefit of that extra content.
I think that’s agreeing with you and Dan.
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Is there anything else that should be added as a feature? Keep in mind that
implementation of these features will depend on custom-developed XML
generators and parsers/aggregators, so let’s not get too wild. :)
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Let’s get as wild as we can (like mentioned above). Here are possible ideas
for sub-elements, of course, all should be optional. Most elements should be
standardized to work as a search- or filter-criterion, I’ve marked those
elements with a bold S.
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Wow, ask and ye shall receive. Good suggestions! I think some might be a bit
redundant or granular, and I think a few are already defined in either RSS or
Atom, but we can hash that out shortly.
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- “region” - S - i.e. North America, Middle and South America, Europe, Australia, Asia, Far East etc. - useful to filter events.
- “country” - S(?) - i.e. USA, Netherlands, Germany etc. - Maybe too much choices to make this element standardized? But it would be useful to find local news.
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Agreed. It might even be possible to find an existing extension we could use
that gets even more granular, if that’s what’s needed.
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- “authority” - S - i.e. TLC, Legoland, privat, rumor etc. - from where the source is.
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I’ve gone back and forth on this one, I like the idea, but there’s nothing
preventing anyone from saying they are LEGO and putting out totally ficticious
content.
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- “age” - S - i.e. AFOLs, Kids etc. or 3+, 4+, 5+ etc. - who could be interested in that particular news
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Absolutely essential. How granular should we get? AFOL/KFOL, or more specific?
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- “???” - S - i.e. collector, builder, parents, seller, site owners etc. - what kind of LEGO Fan could be interested in.
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Not sure I completely understand this one.
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- “inside”(?) - false or true - to give site owners the possibility to provide the news-item for all visitors or to members / visitors who are logged in only etc. - maybe hard to handle.
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Not sure of the overall value for this, since the content provider doesn’t have
that much control over how another site packages their feed.
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- “goodnews” - false or true - is it generally good news or bad news. Maybe better would be S positive, neutral, negati
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Boy, that’s pretty subjective. I’m going to let others comment on this one
first. ;)
Kelly
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| (...) Why have a centralized server? I'd expect there be a list of feeds someplace, and maybe mirroring of feeds... But it would make a lot of sense to have each feed hosted off the service that generates it. Unless LENNI wants to support remote (...) (20 years ago, 25-Aug-04, to lugnet.publish)
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| (...) You really shouldn't have to apologize. I didn't meant it this way. I just thought the topic is of no interest, without any subjective assessment. But so much the better that you carry on with LENNI, I'm really glad about it. Unfortunalety, (...) (20 years ago, 24-Aug-04, to lugnet.publish, FTX)
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