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Re: rtlToronto19: Balance of Power and other upcoming events
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Tue, 1 Mar 2005 18:06:35 GMT
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In lugnet.org.ca.rtltoronto, Rob Antonishen wrote:

One option for the weight restriction is to use something like the
weighting currently in use for jockeys... but on a case by case basis.
Specifically, put two bots on the beam, then weight the end of the
lighter beam until the two start off balanced.

I don't think that will work properly, though (from a fairness standpoint).
Specifically because:

10 N @ 1 m = 10 Nm

So a 1 kg mass (appr. 10 N) at the end of the beam generates a moment of 10 Nm
at the fulcrum.

Robot A weighs 25 N and robot B weighs 35 N.

They both start out 0.1 m from the fulcrum.

At the start, A generates a moment of 2.5 Nm, and robot B generates a moment of
3.5 Nm.  The net moment at the fulcrum in the resting state is already 1 Nm, so
difference of 1 Nm must be generated to keep the system in balance.  So a 0.1 kg
mass is placed 1 m from the fulcrum at the end of the beam to make up the
difference (since 0.1 kg = appr. 1 N.)

The robots move 1 m out at the same speed.  It is desired in this situation for
the system to remain balanced.

The beam will not stay balanced, because, at 1 m:

Robot A weighs 25 N and is now generating a moment of 25 Nm.

Robot B weighs 35 N and is now generating a moment of 35 Nm.

The beam will favour B, because the 1 N mass we placed 1 m from the fulcrum is
making the net moment only 1 Nm less, while the net moment is now 10 Nm (instead
of 1 Nm as it was when the robots were just 0.1 m from the fulcrum).  B will
have an unfair advantage.

    Iain



Message has 2 Replies:
  Re: rtlToronto19: Balance of Power and other upcoming events
 
(...) Do we really need a weight restriction? I mean, if you really want to load yer bad boy up with lead bricks bought off BrickLink, go right ahead. Calum (20 years ago, 1-Mar-05, to lugnet.org.ca.rtltoronto)
  Re: rtlToronto19: Balance of Power and other upcoming events
 
(...) B has the advantage if and only if the assumption that the robots move at the same rate holds true. Assuming that the two robots are are similar in terms of battery and motor configurations, i.e. can deliver the same power, robot A in the (...) (20 years ago, 1-Mar-05, to lugnet.org.ca.rtltoronto)

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  Re: rtlToronto19: Balance of Power and other upcoming events
 
(...) One option for the weight restriction is to use something like the weighting currently in use for jockeys... but on a case by case basis. Specifically, put two bots on the beam, then weight the end of the lighter beam until the two start off (...) (20 years ago, 1-Mar-05, to lugnet.org.ca.rtltoronto)

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