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Re: Monday Morning Diversion
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Wed, 25 Aug 2004 20:41:42 GMT
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In lugnet.off-topic.fun, Dave Schuler wrote:
> In lugnet.off-topic.fun, Bruce Schlickbernd wrote:
> > The only (Trek film) worth watching is II, maybe IV. Anything that listed William
> > Shatner as a director had given fair warning and you deserved what you got if
> > you watched it.
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> I liked VIII about as much as II, with IV coming in close behind. They might
> not be great literature, but I find them to be the most enjoyable of the film
> series.
Do Trekkies include Star Trek: The Politically Correct Generation movies in the
same numbering sequence? Was that the terrible one with the Shatner, or the not
quite so terrible one with the Bore-g (let's not attack the humans because the
script writer wants artifical drama - oh wait, we finally noticed them and will
lumber forward like zombies from Dawn of the Dead).
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> > The Dark Knight Returns was perhaps a spiritual revival of what Batman should
> > be, but the actual story seemed like nothing more than warmed over Dirty Harry.
> > Nor am I a fan of Miller's stylized art (but then, I loved Ditko's Spiderman and
> > Dr. Strange, so there's no accounting for taste, or maybe it's a function of
> > age).
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> Boy, you *are* old. You're like ancient or something. Did you call them "funny
> books" in your youth? And were they in black and white?
Comics were in black and white *after* that period (I started Marvels with
Spiderman #7, Fantastic Four #13, Avengers and X-Men #1, etc.), though I
actually blame my older brother for the early comics. Cerebus, TMNT, Elfquest,
Bone, etc were from the later big black and white independent era (Sold my
Albedos for some obscene price not too long ago. No, don't ask how much, they
are posted somewhere here on Lugnet). Funny books? Puh-leeeeeeeeeze! My dad
called them funny books.
> At the risk of sycophancy, I'd have to credit Miller for this, too, since his
> Dark Knight predated Burton's by three years. For that matter, Alan Moore
> should get a nod for "Watchmen."
Dreadful art in Watchmen. And I know they were trying to punch up the ending
with the controlled classic nine panel pages, but intent does not equal success.
Burton's Batman was clearly influenced to some degree by Miller's Dark Knight.
For whatever I think of its recycled story and overly-self important opinion of
itself, it was a landmark comic.
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> By the way, you mentiond Armageddon as one of your worst films, and that's
> certainly a top-tier steaming pile. Somehow I let "Independence Day" out of my
> list, which in retrospect seems an unforgiveable omission!
Oh, that's it, drag the conversation back on-topic. Independence Day is another
stupid movie that I somehow enjoy. Okay, not that idiot wingman acting school
reject, and not the mincing idiot who gargles rocks, and...well...actually,
intelligence is not too much in abundance in this film. It just seemed a
throwback to the old paranoia alien invasion movies from the fifties and I
accepted it on that level. But then Godzilla: Size Matters was worse, and I
thought that awful (but I didn't mention either of these because I wasn't
actually going to spend money to see either at a theatre, which is the
parameter).
-->Bruce<--
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| (...) Some do, but it mostly seems an attempt to apply the Even/Odd rule of ST movies (even=good, odd="my gorge doth rise"). (...) VII would be the cross-over movie, and VIII would be the one with the Geiger-Borg (man, I was peeved when they went (...) (20 years ago, 26-Aug-04, to lugnet.off-topic.fun)
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| (...) The Shatner was in VII "Generations," in which he went head to head with Malcolm MacDowell for a bit of the old ultra-violence. (...) That's the one! I like them, even with their artificial drama. Maybe it's all the tubes and hoses. (...) In (...) (20 years ago, 26-Aug-04, to lugnet.off-topic.fun)
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