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| | | (...) Which is the definition that counts. (...) Yes, I suppose. But I do it from a screen that i'm not looking at anyway (I'm doing it right now as I type this... I clicked on an ad and switched away) which makes it only a teeny bit intrusive. (...) (24 years ago, 18-Sep-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | Re: Lego Maniac's Webring and Yahoo —Todd Lehman
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| | | | | (...) According to the USPTO, Yahoo! (via GeoCities) has a registered servicemark on WEBRING, with pseudo marks WEB RING and WE BRING, in the goods and services category of "Computer software, namely a navigation tool that enables users of a global (...) (24 years ago, 18-Sep-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, lugnet.publish)
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| | | | | | | Re: Lego Maniac's Webring and Yahoo —Tim Courtney
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| | | | | | "Todd Lehman" <lehman@javanet.com> wrote in message news:G13t90.194@lugnet.com... (...) servicemark (...) services (...) users (...) contain (...) word (...) This contradicts an email I got from a Webring representative a couple years ago, saying (...) (24 years ago, 18-Sep-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, lugnet.publish)
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| | | | | | | | Re: Lego Maniac's Webring and Yahoo —Matthew Miller
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| | | | | | | (...) Do you still have that e-mail? That would be a good thing. "Web ring" is an extremely descriptive mark, and if you realllly wanted to go to court, you might be able to argue fair use. But I certainly don't think it's worth that! (24 years ago, 19-Sep-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, lugnet.publish)
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| | | | | | | | | Re: Lego Maniac's Webring and Yahoo —Tim Courtney
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| | | | | | | | "Matthew Miller" <mattdm@mattdm.org> wrote in message news:slrn8sdf01.lvi.....bu.edu... (...) years (...) separate (...) rights. (...) Unfortunately, I don't believe I do. (...) Yeah, not worth it. I noted that before so that I could acknowledge it (...) (24 years ago, 19-Sep-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, lugnet.publish)
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| | | | | | | | Re: Lego Maniac's Webring and Yahoo —Frank Filz
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| | | | | | | (...) To the extent that that e-mail forms a contract (which is relatively weak), and that e-mail has no specific provisions for review or renewal, I suspect you could continue using "webring" for the site(s)/system(s) described in that e-mail (...) (24 years ago, 19-Sep-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, lugnet.publish)
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| | | | | | | | Re: Lego Maniac's Webring and Yahoo —Todd Lehman
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| | | | | | (...) Oops, looks like I misspoke(wrote). I just went back to the USPTO search page (URL) searched again with the "Registered" radio button selected (instead of "Both") and it didn't show up there, but showed up under "Pending." Thus, it appears (...) (24 years ago, 19-Sep-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, lugnet.publish)
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| | | | | Re: Lego Maniac's Webring and Yahoo —Jeremy H. Sproat
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| | | | | (...) Webrings shouldn't cost that much money. It's not a portal service (in the current industry sense of the word). It's simply a linked-list collection of Web site URLs and descriptions, nothing more. If it gets really expensive, then it's not (...) (24 years ago, 18-Sep-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | Re: Lego Maniac's Webring and Yahoo —Larry Pieniazek
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| | | | | | (...) Check. The above is one of my fundamental axioms! EVERYTHING has a cost. The cost may not be visible to some participants but it is there. TANSTAAFL! Wishing away cost won't make it go away, there are no free goods. (...) Right, and I'd rather (...) (24 years ago, 19-Sep-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | Re: Lego Maniac's Webring and Yahoo —Frank Filz
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| | | | | | | (...) Just curious, how far off from completely paying for the bridge were the bonds and the $3.50 toll to pay them off? I don't see a problem with the government building roads and bridges if they use user fees to raise the money to build them, and (...) (24 years ago, 19-Sep-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | | Re: Lego Maniac's Webring and Yahoo —Larry Pieniazek
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| | | | | | | | (...) Um, not sure I completely understand the questions. My memory is very hazy here... I just went and checked a few sites: (URL) (this is the Bridge Authority site) The bridge was built in the mid 1950s at a cost of ~70-100M in mid 50s dollars. (...) (24 years ago, 19-Sep-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | | | Bridges (was Re: Lego Maniac's Webring and Yahoo) —James Brown
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| | | | | | | | In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Larry Pieniazek writes: <snipped some neat stuff about the Mackinac bridge> A really cool bridge (in a number of ways) is the Confederation Bridge that links P.E.I. to the rest of Canada. I learned about it from a case (...) (24 years ago, 19-Sep-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | | | Re: Bridges (was Re: Lego Maniac's Webring and Yahoo) —Larry Pieniazek
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| | | | | | | | (...) Ersatz privatization I would have to say... the government is giving an operating subsidy to the tune of 40M CDN a year it seemed like. That doesn't count as true privatization. With Auto tolls at something like 25 CDN a crossing, this looks (...) (24 years ago, 19-Sep-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | | | Re: Bridges (was Re: Lego Maniac's Webring and Yahoo) —Rob Doucette
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| | | | | | | | | "Larry Pieniazek" <lpieniazek@mercator.com> wrote in message news:G153tw.FLp@lugnet.com... (...) that (...) of (...) doesn't (...) least (...) And it really ticked off many of the P.E.I. inhabitants ... -- -Rob. ===...=== New sets and parts for sale (...) (24 years ago, 19-Sep-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | | | | Re: Bridges (was Re: Lego Maniac's Webring and Yahoo) —Larry Pieniazek
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| | | | | | | | | | (...) Presumably some fraction of the ~40% who voted "against" in the plebscite... ++Lar (24 years ago, 19-Sep-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | | | Re: Bridges (was Re: Lego Maniac's Webring and Yahoo) —James Brown
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| | | | | | | | | (...) <shrug> Sorry for being unclear - I wasn't trying to imply that the bridge *was* privatized, but that it provided a good economic model for privatization. Whether traffic levels did/can justify it in the first place is, to a certain extent, a (...) (24 years ago, 19-Sep-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | | | | Re: Bridges (was Re: Lego Maniac's Webring and Yahoo) —Larry Pieniazek
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| | | | | | | | | | (...) The government got lucky, I'd say. designing for lowest total cost of ownership is something that government projects usually completely miss, with their emphasis on lowest initial cost. Has anyone used the concrete forming plant/prefab (...) (24 years ago, 19-Sep-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | | | Re: Bridges (was Re: Lego Maniac's Webring and Yahoo) —Frank Filz
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| | | | | | | | (...) Of course one should compare the toll cost to the ferry fare. If the toll cost is significantly below the ferry fare, then it probably does make economic sense. Of course one has to factor in the subsidy also, best way to do that of course is (...) (24 years ago, 19-Sep-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | | | Re: Bridges (was Re: Lego Maniac's Webring and Yahoo) —Larry Pieniazek
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| | | | | | | | (...) of (...) least (...) c /ferry fare/true cost of the ferry/ and I agree. (the ferry was government subsidised as well. ++Lar (24 years ago, 19-Sep-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | | | Re: Bridges (was Re: Lego Maniac's Webring and Yahoo) —Frank Filz
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| | | | | | | | (...) that (...) doesn't (...) That's what I was getting at by saying that adding the per trip subsidy of each method is necessary for a complete comparison. Frank (24 years ago, 20-Sep-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | Re: Lego Maniac's Webring and Yahoo —Todd Lehman
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| | | | | | | (...) No, actually, I totally agree. The challenge is getting the (infra)structure lain in. It's been increasing graudually and will be picking up. In the sets DB, for example, there are 4 other people (Suzanne, Joshua Delahunty, Selçuk Göre, and (...) (24 years ago, 19-Sep-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | | Re: Lego Maniac's Webring and Yahoo —Larry Pieniazek
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| | | | | | | | (...) That's content admin (1) and yes, I agree, the effects are showing and building nicely. I was talking about user admin. You know, the icky part. That is a lot harder. Witness the whole admin council thing. I don't think you think that's (...) (24 years ago, 19-Sep-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | Re: Lego Maniac's Webring and Yahoo —Tim Courtney
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| | | | | | (...) Though I don't find advertiser supported services objectionable (I'm working on developing one), principles Yahoo has used here have disgusted me, and also their littering of the internet with their brand has as well. That's all my opinion, (...) (24 years ago, 19-Sep-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | Re: Lego Maniac's Webring and Yahoo —Todd Lehman
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| | | | | | | (...) I have to talk with Suzanne about it first. She's not feeling well this week so I haven't had a chance yet. --Todd (24 years ago, 19-Sep-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | Re: Lego Maniac's Webring and Yahoo —Larry Pieniazek
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| | | | | | (...) This being .debate, I'm going to continue to ask you to be more specific. What exactly is it that bothers you about Yahoo? I don't see buying up services and systems in order to extend the reach of what Yahoo is able to offer Yahoo users as (...) (24 years ago, 19-Sep-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | Re: Lego Maniac's Webring and Yahoo —Jeremy H. Sproat
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| | | | | | | (...) I'm having some minor trouble passing this gnat. I was hinting that Yahoo was the One Ring to bind all, etc. Communities like LUGNET, OTOH, would be the rag-tag army of light to eventually defeat Sauron and his minions. :-, re: gnats & (...) (24 years ago, 19-Sep-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | Re: Lego Maniac's Webring and Yahoo —Tim Courtney
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| | | | | | (...) Alrighty. (...) My problems with Yahoo are as follows: 1) Moral issues - I haven't experienced the porn banner ads personally, but from Jeremy's description its abhorring to me and I want nothing to to with a company who shoves smut down (...) (24 years ago, 19-Sep-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | Re: Lego Maniac's Webring and Yahoo —Tim Courtney
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| | | | | | | (...) I should probably clarify this statement. I'm not saying that I know how much programming or effort it will take Todd to do this, and I realize that his time pretty much equals money here. I'm making a half-assumption here based on what we (...) (24 years ago, 19-Sep-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | | Re: Lego Maniac's Webring and Yahoo —Larry Pieniazek
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| | | | | | | | (...) He said it wouldn't, IIRC... and that's good enough for me. However, small!=0. That said, if Todd can't set his priorities ultimately (after taking input and evaluating it) as he sees fit, it's not going to be much fun for Todd here, is it? (...) (24 years ago, 20-Sep-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | | | Re: Lego Maniac's Webring and Yahoo —Todd Lehman
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| | | | | | | | (...) It would be more fun if I was making money by doing this (LUGNET), so that's always a factor, but this is also something Tim and I had talked about a few months back as a then-distant possibility. It's less distant after having figured out (...) (24 years ago, 20-Sep-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | Re: Lego Maniac's Webring and Yahoo —Kevin Wilson
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| | | | | | | (...) Also eGroups, though I don't think that deal is totally complete yet. Kevin ---...--- Personal Lego Web page: (URL) Air Market: Limited edition kit (URL) Kits & Custom Lego models: (URL) (24 years ago, 20-Sep-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | | Re: Lego Maniac's Webring and Yahoo —Tim Courtney
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| | | | | | | | (...) Wonderful....just...wonderful. I feel fer ya, WAMALUG and SeaLUG. -Tim (24 years ago, 20-Sep-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | Resolved: Yahoo is good for the 'net (was Re: Lego Maniac's Webring and Yahoo —Larry Pieniazek
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| | | | | | First off, let's separate the move of the ring out of the discussion. I'm coming around to the viewpoint that for valid technical, feature building, and community reasons, moving the ring to LUGNET is a good idea, relatively low cost to Todd and (...) (24 years ago, 20-Sep-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | Re: Resolved: Yahoo is good for the 'net (was Re: Lego Maniac's Webring and Yahoo —Tim Courtney
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| | | | | | (...) Well...a couple days ago I had a reply half written on the web interface, but unfortunately a computer freeze made me lose it. Here I go again, after I've had a bit more time to think it through :) (...) I'm no one to tell them what they (...) (24 years ago, 22-Sep-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | Re: Resolved: Yahoo is good for the 'net (was Re: Lego Maniac's Webring and Yahoo —Todd Lehman
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| | | | | | [Added .publish to ng list; IMHO, this is actually more on-topic to .publish than it is to .off-topic.debate...] (...) Wow, wait, so lemme see if I can get this straight -- ? -- under the new Yahoo! Webring system, your ring logo has to be no bigger (...) (24 years ago, 23-Sep-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, lugnet.publish)
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| | | | | | | | Re: Resolved: Yahoo is good for the 'net (was Re: Lego Maniac's Webring and Yahoo —Tim Courtney
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| | | | | | (...) Here's a sample page: (URL) not as bad as I originally feared - but the limited logo size and standardized navbar is a definite drawback to the new system. I'm SHOCKED that Yahoo wasn't mentioned ANYWHERE on the code. I'm still beefing (though (...) (24 years ago, 23-Sep-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, lugnet.publish)
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| | | | | | | | Re: Resolved: Yahoo is good for the 'net (was Re: Lego Maniac's Webring and Yahoo —Tom Stangl
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| | | | | | I'm confused - what do you mean you can't customize it? The links are all standard links, just rewrite the tables, and make it look any way you want. Or are you saying that that would violate their TOS or something? (...) -- Tom Stangl ***(URL) (...) (24 years ago, 23-Sep-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, lugnet.publish)
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| | | | | | | | Re: Resolved: Yahoo is good for the 'net (was Re: Lego Maniac's Webring and Yahoo —Tim Courtney
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| | | | | | (...) Its all javascript, generated from the Yahoo server. All they give you is a small tag for javascript, then Yahoo spits out that content for you. Eg. if you aren't a member of the ring (not approved yet), all that will show up will be the top (...) (24 years ago, 23-Sep-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, lugnet.publish)
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| | | | | | | | Transclusion via JavaScript (was: Re: Resolved: Yahoo is good for the 'net) —Todd Lehman
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| | | | | | | (...) Interesting from an HTML/geek point of view! So, in the real shebang, they give something akin to <SCRIPT LANGUAGE="JavaScript" SRC="(URL) blah blah </SCRIPT> and then they, what, look at the siteid within the ringid and spit out either the (...) (24 years ago, 23-Sep-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, lugnet.publish)
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| | | | | | | | | Re: Transclusion via JavaScript (was: Re: Resolved: Yahoo is good for the 'net) —Frank Buiting
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| | | | | | | | "Todd Lehman" <lehman@javanet.com> wrote in message news:G1Cpxr.Cqt@lugnet.com... [snip] (...) they (...) [script snipped] (...) had (...) JS (...) I'd (...) of (...) nasties. This is exactly what I do to generate my pages. My provider doesn't (...) (24 years ago, 23-Sep-00, to lugnet.publish)
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| | | | | | | | Re: Resolved: Yahoo is good for the 'net (was Re: Lego Maniac's Webring and Yahoo —Tom Stangl
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| | | | | | Right, but once Yahoo has spit out that content, you save it, and modify it any way you want to. (...) -- Tom Stangl ***(URL) Visual FAQ home ***(URL) Bay Area DSMs (24 years ago, 23-Sep-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, lugnet.publish)
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| | | | | | | | Re: Resolved: Yahoo is good for the 'net (was Re: Lego Maniac's Webring and Yahoo —Todd Lehman
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| | | | | | (...) Sure, and then when someone clicks "next" or "previous" for that Ring ID, the Yahoo! server sees that the corresponding JS code for that Ring ID and Site ID hasn't been fetched recently by that IP address, and it gacks (by design) and it sends (...) (24 years ago, 23-Sep-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, lugnet.publish)
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| | | | | Re: Lego Maniac's Webring and Yahoo —James Brown
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| | | | In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Larry Pieniazek writes: <snip> (...) <snip, extraction mine> In theory, they don't. (or rather, the cost is inherently shared between all participants by their very participation) The basic functionality of a webring is (...) (24 years ago, 18-Sep-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | Re: Lego Maniac's Webring and Yahoo —Larry Pieniazek
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| | | | | (...) We're mostly all in agreement here, then. What we're doing is choice 1. I think choice 2 might be not so hot of an idea for the "general" ring (although I may set up one just for GoB if the rest of the 'smiths want me to) as it's divisive. Or (...) (24 years ago, 19-Sep-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | Re: Lego Maniac's Webring and Yahoo —Frank Filz
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| | | | | | (...) a (...) Another way to turn money into time is to pay someone else to do stuff for you so you don't have to spend the time on it yourself. In fact, our whole economy is based on the fact that you can turn money into time in this fashion (and (...) (24 years ago, 19-Sep-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | Swapping money for time (was Re: Lego Maniac's Webring and Yahoo) —Kevin Wilson
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| | | | (...) Every time you pay someone else to do something you could do yourself, you invest money to get time. Cleaning services, diaper servies, oil change services... I'd class all of those that way. Kevin ---...--- Personal Lego Web page: (URL) Air (...) (24 years ago, 19-Sep-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | Re: Swapping money for time (was Re: Lego Maniac's Webring and Yahoo) —Larry Pieniazek
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| | | | | (...) find a (...) Indeed. And one of the basic tenets of capitalism is that while it's not possible to make goods appear out of thin air, it IS possible to make wealth seemingly appear from nothing, in that every time someone invents a new more (...) (24 years ago, 19-Sep-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | Re: Swapping money for time (was Re: Lego Maniac's Webring and Yahoo) —James Brown
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| | | | (...) a (...) -ish. I would argue that the above aren't turning money into time, just letting me spend time more efficiently. I boil it down to: I can spend 8 hours, and a modicum of effort, and earn/generate a certain amount of money. i.e. Larry's (...) (24 years ago, 19-Sep-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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