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| | | | | Re: Reagan... not exactly libertarian, but close —Bill Farkas
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| | | | | In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Larry Pieniazek writes: "Ka-snip" (...) (freedom). (...) I profoundly disagree. It is liberals who are anti-freedom. Liberals are the ones trying to tax and regulate anything that moves. You are confusing freedom and (...) (25 years ago, 1-Apr-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | Re: Reagan... not exactly libertarian, but close —Larry Pieniazek
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| | | | | | | (...) You're not clearly distinguishing betweeen personal and economic freedom, so you fall into the one dimensional trap. (...) No I'm not. Take the quiz. (...) 2 points. a) no they're not I vehemently dispute that homosexuality is in and of itself (...) (25 years ago, 1-Apr-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | | Re: Reagan... not exactly libertarian, but close —Christopher L. Weeks
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| | | | | | | | | (...) Unsurprisingly, I agree with Larry. Liberals are trying to limit different freedoms than conservatives. I think that any time a citizen is coerced into some action by a body of governance (or by an individual, it amounts to the same thing) (...) (25 years ago, 2-Apr-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | | | | Re: Reagan... not exactly libertarian, but close —Scott Edward Sanburn
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| | | | | | | | | | Chris, (...) on (...) just (...) I wonder what you are truly saying here, Chris. Zealots are on both sides of the abortion issue, both for and against. I don't think murdering people for most reasons is acceptable (outside of capitol punishment or (...) (25 years ago, 3-Apr-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | | | | | Re: Reagan... not exactly libertarian, but close —Christopher L. Weeks
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| | | | | | | | | | (...) Scott, in the past, you have taken offense at my writing and it sounds as if you may be here. If I'm wrong, discount this paragraph, but... I didn't say that zealots only occupied one side of the issue. All issues have zealots on both sides. (...) (25 years ago, 3-Apr-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | | | | | Re: Reagan... not exactly libertarian, but close —Scott Edward Sanburn
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| | | | | | | | | | (...) if (...) say (...) on (...) think (...) that's (...) What I meant is that I was talking about abortion, and I didn't feel like going over this again, because I think we discussed this before. (...) Well, it is war, and killing is involved. (...) (25 years ago, 3-Apr-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | | | | | Re: Reagan... not exactly libertarian, but close —Christopher L. Weeks
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| | | | | | | | | | (...) Can't we think of something better? (...) So when I'm convicted of a capitol crime and am put to death for it, even though I didn't do it, that's not an infringement on my rights? I disagree. (...) Sure, just like you could surrender to the (...) (25 years ago, 3-Apr-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | | Re: Reagan... not exactly libertarian, but close —Bill Farkas
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| | | | | | | | | (...) I defy you to separate the two - one impacts the other. (...) Ask yourself the question, where would the human race be if we were all homosexual? We would be extinct. Besides, there is more that is self destructive in that lifestyle than just (...) (25 years ago, 2-Apr-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | | | | Re: Reagan... not exactly libertarian, but close —Christopher L. Weeks
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| | | | | | | | | | I hope you guys don't mind me butting in... (...) That's true. But, when you look at these limitations of freedom there's sort of a first glance and then deeper impacts. If you tell parents what school their child must/may go to, it is first a (...) (25 years ago, 2-Apr-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | | | | | Re: Reagan... not exactly libertarian, but close —Scott Edward Sanburn
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| | | | | | | | | | Chris, ( I am jumping in this a day or late, oh well!) (...) sort (...) is (...) same (...) Well, telling which schools to send your kids too is very limiting to parents, and schools do teach a morality of their own, regardless if it is Christian or (...) (25 years ago, 3-Apr-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | | | | | Re: Reagan... not exactly libertarian, but close —Christopher L. Weeks
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| | | | | | | | | | Hi Scott, (...) Right, but it's the norm for those who don't want to spend double duty on their children's education. I'm all in favor of school vouchers (or complete privatization, for that matter). But what are you getting at here? (...) Well, it (...) (25 years ago, 3-Apr-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | | | | | Re: Reagan... not exactly libertarian, but close —Scott Edward Sanburn
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| | | | | | | | | | Chris, (from Scott, who should really be working rather than staying on off topic) Anyway, ----- Original Message ----- From: "Christopher Weeks" <clweeks@eclipse.net> To: <lugnet.off-topic.de...ugnet.com> Sent: Sunday, April 02, 2000 10:50 PM (...) (25 years ago, 3-Apr-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | | | | | Re: Reagan... not exactly libertarian, but close —Bruce Schlickbernd
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| | | | | | | | | | | | Re: Reagan... not exactly libertarian, but close —Christopher L. Weeks
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| | | | | | | | | | (...) And your friends from church take what stance on bags? And what about on cars and the environment? (...) This implies to me that you see right-conservatives favoring liberal positions on a regular basis. IS that what you mean? Which liberal (...) (25 years ago, 3-Apr-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | | Re: Reagan... not exactly libertarian, but close —Scott Edward Sanburn
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| | | | | | | | (...) on (...) current (...) so (...) Well, it really depends on what you would consider personal freedom. Should the government be involved in things? No. Look at the census, for example. What time do you go to work and what time d you come back. (...) (25 years ago, 3-Apr-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | Key West, one of the best places in the world... —Larry Pieniazek
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| | | | | | Oh, and by the way, Key West has got to be one of the most wonderful places on the entire face of the planet, because people there (at least while they are there, anyway) are so very very open, friendly and tolerant. I love going there and I wish I (...) (25 years ago, 1-Apr-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | Re: Key West, one of the best places in the world... —Christopher L. Weeks
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| | | | | | | (...) If you're rich because gas runs about 1.5 times the price of the rest of the country. (...) If you're rich, because hotel rooms cost about four times the price in the rest of the country. (...) Oh wait, you are. ;-) I'm only bitter because (...) (25 years ago, 1-Apr-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | | Re: Key West, one of the best places in the world... —Larry Pieniazek
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| | | | | | | | (...) I'm of course proud of just about everything to do with myself(1), and in this case I'm happy that my preferences seem clear cut to me, and therefore I'm proud of the fact that I did't waste a lot of emotional energy on the issue. There's no (...) (25 years ago, 2-Apr-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | | | Re: Key West, one of the best places in the world... —Christopher L. Weeks
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| | | | | | | | (...) Right, I meant beyond that. ;-) (...) Glad, I'd buy, but proud just seems a bit off (not that you're not allowed). (...) I guess I can see all that, but it sounds like you're proud of being well-adjusted rather than proud of being (...) (25 years ago, 2-Apr-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | | | Re: Key West, one of the best places in the world... —Larry Pieniazek
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| | | | | | | | (...) Ya, that's it. And, while I'm not ashamed of my choices, perhaps proud is a bit over-reaching of a statement when applied to them. Since when, however, have I been known to be modest? ++Lar (25 years ago, 2-Apr-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | Re: Key West, one of the best places in the world... —Bill Farkas
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| | | | | | | (...) I go there at least once a month, and I love it there, too (...) Wasn't intended to be. You might consider it a poor choice of words, but I was simply saying that it is a place where homosexuals choose to party. I was typing fast (for me (...) (25 years ago, 2-Apr-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | Re: Key West, one of the best places in the world... —Ed Jones
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| | | | | | (...) there (...) Key West is one of my favorite places on the planet. And that distinction is due to the Conchs of Key West, who admittedly, have stayed in a permanent 60s frame of mind. Key West also has one of the lowest crime rates in the world. (...) (25 years ago, 2-Apr-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | Re: Reagan... not exactly libertarian, but close —Scott Edward Sanburn
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| | | | (...) They (...) these (...) Classic liberalism, yes. Current liberalism, no. The current definition is reflected in the LP quiz, where liberal is on the left, not the right. When I say liberal, it is on the left. When I say classical liberal, I (...) (25 years ago, 3-Apr-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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