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| | | | | Re: Danish cartoons outrage some Moslem groups and nations —John Neal
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| | | | | (...) What took you? :-) (...) The er, fundamental difference, is that one is peaceful and law-abiding, and the other isn't. You can call the responses from US-based religious groups to any given issue "acrimonious" if you want, but they are rarely (...) (19 years ago, 3-Feb-06, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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| | | | | | | Re: Danish cartoons outrage some Moslem groups and nations —Dave Schuler
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| | | | | | | (...) I'm not sure that that's correct. Paul Mirecki, of KSU, was attacked for speaking out against fundamentalist Christians and for (rightly) labeling Intelligent Design "Creationism." Abortion clinics have been bombed by people "doing the Lord's (...) (19 years ago, 6-Feb-06, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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| | | | | | | | | Re: Danish cartoons outrage some Moslem groups and nations —John Neal
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| | | | | | | | (...) Does it actually breed it? I don't believe one needs to be a fundamentalist to be intolerant. I have come across many intolerant liberals lately, though I doubt they'd ever admit it. I'm wondering: in order to be truly intolerant, does one (...) (19 years ago, 6-Feb-06, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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| | | | | | | | | | Re: Danish cartoons outrage some Moslem groups and nations —Dave Schuler
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| | | | | | | | (...) Let's be clear, though; I'm not saying that only fundamentalism breeds intolerance, nor that all fundamentalists are intolerant. Perhaps a better word than "fundamentalist" in this context is "absolutist," meaning someone who claims to have (...) (19 years ago, 6-Feb-06, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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| | | | | | | | | | Re: Danish cartoons outrage some Moslem groups and nations —John Neal
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| | | | | | | | (...) Alles klar, Herr Kommissar. (...) Exactly. But are fundamentalists more apt to resort to violence in promoting/defending their ideals? I'm thinking not, and so I suspect that the seeds of violent intolerance are sown elsewhere. I have a (...) (19 years ago, 7-Feb-06, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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| | | | | | | Re: Danish cartoons outrage some Moslem groups and nations —Dave Schuler
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| | | | | | (...) (URL) are some additional thoughts along these lines, expressed at greater length than I was able to put together. Dave! (19 years ago, 8-Feb-06, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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| | | | | | | | Re: Danish cartoons outrage some Moslem groups and nations —David Koudys
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| | | | | | | In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Dave Schuler wrote: <snip> (...) (URL) Here's> more... ;) Dave K (19 years ago, 8-Feb-06, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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| | | | | | | | | Re: Danish cartoons outrage some Moslem groups and nations —John Neal
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| | | | | | | | (...) Sparky! I'm in LOVE!!! :-) XXXOOO, JOHN (19 years ago, 8-Feb-06, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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| | | | | | | | | | Re: Danish cartoons outrage some Moslem groups and nations —David Koudys
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| | | | | | | | (...) Aww gee... (shuffles feet all embarassed like...) Dave K (19 years ago, 9-Feb-06, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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| | | | | | | | | | Re: Danish cartoons outrage some Moslem groups and nations —John Neal
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| | | | | | | | (...) I feel like we are auditioning for a scene in Brokeback Mountin! Suddenly afraid to use emoticons, JOHN (19 years ago, 9-Feb-06, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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| | | | | | | | | | Re: Danish cartoons outrage some Moslem groups and nations —David Koudys
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| | | | | | | | (...) Not that there's anything wrong with that... Oh wait, that's Seinfeld... Dave K (19 years ago, 9-Feb-06, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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| | | | | | | | | | Re: Danish cartoons outrage some Moslem groups and nations —John Neal
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| | | | | | | | (...) Not using emoticons? (...) NO EMOTICONS FOR YOU!!! JOHN PS No props por my malaprop? ;-) (19 years ago, 9-Feb-06, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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| | | | | | | | Re: Danish cartoons outrage some Moslem groups and nations —John Neal
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| | | | | | (...) The temptation to equate intolerant Islam and the intolerant Christian Right is simply too great and self-servingly too delicious for the Left to resist. Don't fall into that blinkered, bigotted hole, Dave! I will grant to you that both sides (...) (19 years ago, 8-Feb-06, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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| | | | | | | | Re: Danish cartoons outrage some Moslem groups and nations —Dave Schuler
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| | | | | | (...) John, I simply can't accept that. (...) All evidence suggests that Fred Phelps and Pat Robertson and Eric Rudolph and all the rest would engage in murderous violence--and their followers would support them--if only they thought that they could (...) (19 years ago, 8-Feb-06, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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| | | | | | | | Re: Danish cartoons outrage some Moslem groups and nations —John Neal
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| | | | | | | (...) But this is not a trial in court. One is innocent until proven guilty in this country, and so you just can't convict somebody for state of mind or intent. Now, as for Fred Phelps and Eric Rudolph, they are clearly deranged and insane. So write (...) (19 years ago, 9-Feb-06, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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| | | | | | | | Re: Danish cartoons outrage some Moslem groups and nations —David Koudys
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| | | | | | (...) Sure Pat "I was for Ariel's stroke because he divided the Holy Land until I was against Ariel's stroke 'cause I couldn't have my Theme Park" Robertson has his followers, and has called for assassinations, and other such crap. However, his (...) (19 years ago, 9-Feb-06, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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| | | | | | | | Re: Danish cartoons outrage some Moslem groups and nations —John Neal
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| | | | | | (...) Did he actually call for the assassination? If he did, what's up with those no-good followers of his who aren't following orders? Talk is cheap. Protected, in fact. (...) AAhmen and Ahmen. Well spoken, Bruce! (...) If the tables were turned, (...) (19 years ago, 9-Feb-06, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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| | | | | | | | Re: Danish cartoons outrage some Moslem groups and nations —Dave Schuler
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| | | | | | (...) Well, let's see. If I go on-air to millions and declare that a certain US President should be assassinated, will Conservatives rally around me to protect my right to free speech? Of course, if I were a dessicated, talentless hack who called (...) (19 years ago, 9-Feb-06, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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| | | | | | | | Re: Danish cartoons outrage some Moslem groups and nations —John Neal
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| | | | | | (...) There happens to be a law against that, and the Secret Service takes that stuff seriously. It's best not to get cute in that arena. But if you posted that and many other unpleasantries, say in a liberal NG, no one would care, because they'd (...) (19 years ago, 9-Feb-06, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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| | | | | | | | Re: Danish cartoons outrage some Moslem groups and nations —Dave Schuler
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| | | | | | (...) Though I hesitate to use the words "cute" and "Ann Coulter" in the same post, I simply don't see the distinction between her call for poisoning to be different from the hypothetical that I mentioned. Sure, she can claim that she's joking, but (...) (19 years ago, 9-Feb-06, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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| | | | | | | | Re: Danish cartoons outrage some Moslem groups and nations —David Koudys
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| | | | | | | (...) And I agree with this assessment--calling for poisoning anyone is extremely bad taste--joking or no. (...) Oh that'd be the day... THere is a dichotomy between the 'Left' and the 'Right' with what they can get away with--the 'Right' could use (...) (19 years ago, 9-Feb-06, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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| | | | | | | | Re: Danish cartoons outrage some Moslem groups and nations —John Neal
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| | | | | | (...) I don't remember the exact quotation, but let's be honest here. Scalia, to Coulter, is one of the "good guys". I'm sure that if she had to pick a Justice to poison, he wouldn't really be her first choice. (...) Slightly different because Maher (...) (19 years ago, 9-Feb-06, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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| | | | | | | | Re: Danish cartoons outrage some Moslem groups and nations —Dave Schuler
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| | | | | | (...) Actually, she talked about (URL) Justice John Paul Stevens>, who is far to the Left of Scalia and Coulter. (...) Care to rework that, since it was Stevens instead of Scalia? (...) Well, I'll give you that one. I don't think he's all that (...) (19 years ago, 9-Feb-06, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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| | | | | | | | Re: Danish cartoons outrage some Moslem groups and nations —John Neal
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| | | | | | (...) Right (see, I told you:-) I was trying to find the actual column in which she says this but it was too old for my cursory search (pun intended--ALWAYS!). But from your link, she flat-out states, "That's just a joke, for you in the media." You (...) (19 years ago, 10-Feb-06, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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| | | | | Re: Danish cartoons outrage some Moslem groups and nations —Leonard Hoffman
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| | | | (...) (URL) Protests in London call for terrorist strikes against Europe, threaten those who insult Islam with execution, and generally reject liberal democracy. (URL) Danish Embassy in Lebanon and Syria are attacked by protestors and set on fire. (...) (19 years ago, 5-Feb-06, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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| | | | | | Re: Danish cartoons outrage some Moslem groups and nations —Timothy Gould
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| | | | --SNIP-- (...) --SNIP-- (...) Apart from on Bosnia, and Liberia and the other places where they have. Sure we don't have the pretty pictures of it but that's because, according to the Western media, those people don't count. And that's not to (...) (19 years ago, 5-Feb-06, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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| | | | | | Re: Danish cartoons outrage some Moslem groups and nations —Leonard Hoffman
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| | | | (...) I don't mean to suggest any society is free of extremists and crazies. Christianity has been responsible for some of the most horrendous acts in history - cruel, horrible actions that seem devoid of purpose or humanity. Nor am I trying to say (...) (19 years ago, 5-Feb-06, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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| | | | | | Re: Danish cartoons outrage some Moslem groups and nations —John Neal
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| | | | | (...) Great example. This man cannot be more of a hypocrite, more full of excrement. The irony is literally painful. JOHN (19 years ago, 5-Feb-06, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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| | | | | | | Re: Danish cartoons outrage some Moslem groups and nations —Ross Crawford
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| | | | | | (...) I disagree with many of your views, but I don't say you're full of shit for expressing them. Do you know that person? How can you possibly say what their motivation is? ROSCO (19 years ago, 5-Feb-06, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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| | | | | | | | Re: Danish cartoons outrage some Moslem groups and nations —John Neal
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| | | | | | (...) I meant to imply that he was full of it for holding that view, not expressing it. And what if you did? That's your view, and you are entitled to it. So then we can debate it and argue the merits of each others points. How does one open a (...) (19 years ago, 5-Feb-06, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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| | | | | | | | Re: Danish cartoons outrage some Moslem groups and nations —Timothy Gould
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| | | | | | | (...) The UK still produces a lot of good authors John. To accuse it of literary dying is a bit harsh. ;) Tim (19 years ago, 5-Feb-06, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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| | | | | | | | | Re: Danish cartoons outrage some Moslem groups and nations —John Neal
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| | | | | | | | (...) lol For some reason, it comes out that way in type every time and I have to go back and correct. Musta missed that one:-/ Either that, or it's Canada's fault! JOHN (19 years ago, 6-Feb-06, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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| | | | | | | | Re: Danish cartoons outrage some Moslem groups and nations —Ross Crawford
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| | | | | | (...) A good start would be to find out who it actually is. (...) And how many people do you know with faeces for brains to make such a comparison? (...) His? I see nothing gender specific about that pic. Maybe it's nothing to do with shame, but a (...) (19 years ago, 5-Feb-06, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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| | | | | | Re: Danish cartoons outrage some Moslem groups and nations —Ross Crawford
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| | | | | (...) Like thousands rioting in LA because a court ruling didn't go the way they wanted? I seem to recall about 50 killed, was that justified? Mob rule can do some strange things to people. ROSCO (19 years ago, 5-Feb-06, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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| | | | | | | Re: Danish cartoons outrage some Moslem groups and nations —Leonard Hoffman
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| | | | | | (...) Fair enough - that was a pretty lame reason to riot. I remember my High School shutting off access to cable and radio when the verdict was read during the OJ Simpson trial in case there was problems. Pretty lame and unjustified if you ask me. (...) (19 years ago, 5-Feb-06, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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| | | | | | | | Re: Danish cartoons outrage some Moslem groups and nations —Bruce Schlickbernd
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| | | | | | (...) The trial of the officers who beat Rodney King (I have no idea why you are referencing the O.J. Simpson trial) was such a farce that feds brought them up on federal charges (and ran a competent trial) as fast as they could. The riot ensued (...) (19 years ago, 13-Feb-06, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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| | | | | | | | Re: Danish cartoons outrage some Moslem groups and nations —Leonard Hoffman
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| | | | | | | (...) I mentioned the OJ Simpson trial because my school shut down access to radio, cable, TV when the verdict was read. Maybe the missing piece of info was that the school didn't know what the verdict was going to be - I think they were expecting a (...) (19 years ago, 13-Feb-06, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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| | | | | | | | Re: Danish cartoons outrage some Moslem groups and nations —John Neal
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| | | | | | (...) This is SO obvious-- we are engaged in an violent struggle (ie war) with radical Wahabi muslims. If the rest of Islam doesn't not stand up against these extremists, they are allowing THEM to define themselves (the rest of Islam) and their (...) (19 years ago, 13-Feb-06, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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| | | | | | Re: Danish cartoons outrage some Moslem groups and nations —Timothy Gould
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| | | | (...) You probably did but that's not really your fault. There have been marches in the UK but, unsurprisingly their peaceful nature made them unnewsworthy. BTW. I just found this (URL) So it seems that the government and religious leaders of (...) (19 years ago, 6-Feb-06, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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