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Re: Ya wanna talk about legislating morality?
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lugnet.off-topic.debate
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Thu, 5 May 2005 19:43:03 GMT
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Dave Schuler wrote:
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, John Neal wrote:
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Is there anything you want to
tell me? 8^)
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Yeah, that you are closer to being a Theist than you realize! :-)
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Maybe, if it weren’t for that whole pesky “faith” thing...
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But you can’t just play in your little room of Science and have no opinions
about concrete things that Science cannot address. I am speaking about
Creation.
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By the way, Absolute Morality in this construction exists just fine without
appeals to a higher, supernatural power.
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I disagree. The fact that it comes from a higher, supernatural power is
where it gets its justification and authority.
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But that construction breaks from the “absolute” as soon as human faith comes
into it. An actual revelation for you is just hearsay for me, so that’s
where “absolute” falls apart.
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We have been given intellects, and some revelation along the way. Heck, we may
even be hardwired to God via our consciences. We can achieve enlightenment if
we have God as our source of inspiration (what do you supposed fueled the
Renaissance in the first place?)
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Lacking a true, transcendent, and verifiable absolute, we’re only left with
consensus, and for that we need no higher power.
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But then we are like the blind leading the blind; trying to navigate in a storm
at sea, without a compass. Truth rings free, and respectful, honest, and humble
people should recognize it.
JOHN
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Message has 2 Replies:
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| In lugnet.off-topic.debate, John Neal wrote: snip (...) Humble people don't go around telling other people that they have to start taking the 'specks out of their eyes', especially via legislation. And honest people realize that we're all flawed, (...) (19 years ago, 5-May-05, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
| | | Re: Ya wanna talk about legislating morality?
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| (...) You lost me there. What's a concrete thing that science can't address? (...) Hmm? Hardwired how? Hardwired to believe in him (in spite of free will?) Or hardwired to want to believe in him? Not me. (...) Approximately one zillion things fueled (...) (19 years ago, 5-May-05, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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| (...) Maybe, if it weren't for that whole pesky "faith" thing... (...) But that construction breaks from the "absolute" as soon as human faith comes into it. An actual revelation for you is just hearsay for me, so that's where "absolute" falls (...) (19 years ago, 5-May-05, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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