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| | | | | Those who cast the votes decide nothing. —Scott Arthur
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| | | | | (...) In the UK, the Left, Right & Centre enjoy a chortle at Bush's electoral credentials (and his intellectual abilities). From an international PR PoV, Bush has been a disaster for the USA. He has destroyed a great deal of the international (...) (21 years ago, 5-Dec-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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| | | | | | | Re: Those who cast the votes decide nothing. —John Neal
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| | | | | | (...) Please. Blair isn't; he's a good man. Perhaps the mayor of London is, but he is the biggest ass of a politician there ever was. I'm sure Bush is snickering, too-- all the way to being the most powerful person on earth. Deal. (...) Respect from (...) (21 years ago, 5-Dec-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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| | | | | | | | Re: Those who cast the votes decide nothing. —David Koudys
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| | | | | | | (...) That we need--a militart draft dodger war mongering and appointed moron to be 'the most powerful man' in the world. Count me in on that one! (...) How about respect from countries--Canada for one--you can wax poetically all you want about how (...) (21 years ago, 5-Dec-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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| | | | | | | | Re: Those who cast the votes decide nothing. —Scott Arthur
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| | | | | | | (...) In what sense? (...) In what sense? (...) He has power, but no athourity. He lost the argument a long time time ago, and ever since has relied on "might-makes-right". MLK Jr: "Our scientific power has outrun our spiritual power. We have guided (...) (21 years ago, 8-Dec-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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| | | | | | | | | Re: Those who cast the votes decide nothing. —John Neal
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| | | | | | | | (...) What is your implication? That he isn't a "good man"? Are you so partisan that you can't even give credit where it is due? (...) His complete lack of civility. I don't care if he believes Bush is the Devil (which he probably does BTW); he is a (...) (21 years ago, 8-Dec-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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| | | | | | | | | | Re: Those who cast the votes decide nothing. —Dave Schuler
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| | | | | | | | | (...) //Irony on// (URL) devil can cite scripture to his purpose.> //Irony off// (...) Perhaps, but the dirtier little secret is that Europe's antipathy is not and has not always been groundless. Dave! (21 years ago, 8-Dec-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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| | | | | | | | | | | Re: Those who cast the votes decide nothing. —David Koudys
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| | | | | | | | | | (...) The bigger 'dirty little secret' is "Hey! The Euro's hate us anyway so who cares about their opinion where 'world events ' are concered even though the Europeans live closer to Iraq than do Americans... and hey! What about (not that I haven't (...) (21 years ago, 8-Dec-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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| | | | | | | | | | | | Re: Those who cast the votes decide nothing. —Scott Arthur
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| | | | | | | | | | (...) Indeed; Europe (Cyprus?) was within range of one of the missle systems SH did not have. Scott A (21 years ago, 9-Dec-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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| | | | | | | | | | Re: Those who cast the votes decide nothing. —Scott Arthur
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| | | | | | | | (...) For starters: He lied to Parliament and took my country into a war that it did not want. (...) Are you saying Londoners did not share his view? (...) What don't you understand? (...) That the "War on Terror" is the only way to progress. (...) (...) (21 years ago, 9-Dec-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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| | | | | | | | | | Re: Those who cast the votes decide nothing. —John Neal
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| | | | | | | | (...) Nobody wants war, Scott. Sometimes you haven't a choice. Sometimes you do. We either fight now or later. (...) Are you saying that most Londoners do? (...) Authority from whom? (...) How else are you going to prevent Wahabi Fascists from (...) (21 years ago, 9-Dec-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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| | | | | | | | | | Re: Those who cast the votes decide nothing. —David Koudys
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| | | | | | | | | In lugnet.off-topic.debate, John Neal wrote: <snip> (...) <snip> (...) How can you say that? I was at the peace rallies and many many signs were from Church organizations, from the United, Anglican, Methodist, and even my CRC denomination--and (...) (21 years ago, 9-Dec-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | | | | Re: Those who cast the votes decide nothing. —John Neal
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| | | | | | | | | | (...) You actually think that the radicals who show up at "peace rallies" are in any way indicative of the sentiments of the silent majority? All of the denominations you mentioned also oppose the mass killing of innocents at the hands of SH as (...) (21 years ago, 9-Dec-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | | | | | Re: Those who cast the votes decide nothing. —Dave Schuler
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| | | | | | | | | | | (...) It is indeed a noble goal to stop someone from killing innocents, and to this end Dubya should be held accountable for every civilian death in Iraq. Further, and this cannot be stated often or loudly enough, the state primary motivation for (...) (21 years ago, 9-Dec-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | Re: Those who cast the votes decide nothing. —John Neal
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| | | | | | | | | | | | (...) Would that we could compare that number to the number of innocents who would have been executed by SH by now. Chances are the latter would be higher, and thus Bush's intervention actually saved the lives of innocents in total. (...) We know (...) (21 years ago, 10-Dec-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | Re: Those who cast the votes decide nothing. —Scott Arthur
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | (...) Comparing SH with pre-war Germany is (URL) misleading>: "Let's be clear about this. Saddam Hussein is not Hitler, as hysterical Americans keep claiming. The charges of external violence are 12 years old. There is no coherent evidence that he (...) (21 years ago, 10-Dec-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | Re: Those who cast the votes decide nothing. —David Koudys
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | In lugnet.off-topic.debate, John Neal wrote: <snip> (...) And my point right back at you is that millions and millions of people, in your country as well as mine, and the countless millions from all over the world, protesting do not a 'few' make. (...) (21 years ago, 10-Dec-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | Re: Those who cast the votes decide nothing. —Dave Schuler
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | (...) One possibility is that Dubya could publicly acknowledge that St. Reagan both supported Hussein and supplied him with weapons of mass destruction. Another possibility is that Dubya could publicly acknowledge that Uncle Cheney had business (...) (21 years ago, 10-Dec-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | Re: Those who cast the votes decide nothing. —Chris Phillips
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| | | | | | | | | | | | (...) Gee, didn't Dubya use Oil Money to get himself inserted into the office? Doesn't he have even more money and WoMD at his disposal than Hussein could ever dream of? Sounds like you've just proven that the current POTUS is a threat to the world. (...) (21 years ago, 10-Dec-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | Re: Those who cast the votes decide nothing. —David Koudys
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| | | | | | | | | | | | In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Chris Phillips wrote: <snip> (...) I always liked the acronym--FLOTUS :) Ahh, what I glean from West Wing (and other sources ;) ) Dave K (21 years ago, 10-Dec-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | Re: Those who cast the votes decide nothing. —Chris Phillips
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| | | | | | | | | | | | (...) Ok, I'll bite... "Flatulent Loser..."? "Foaming Lapdog..."?? "False Leader..."??? "Freakish Limp****..."???? Oh, you mean "First Lady"! (At least she hasn't killed anyone recently...) - Chris. (21 years ago, 10-Dec-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | Re: Those who cast the votes decide nothing. —David Koudys
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| | | | | | | | | | | | In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Chris Phillips wrote: <snip> (...) Yeah, but she feels "terrible" that all this death and destruction's going on--at least from what I read earlier this week, and the Prez's ma, the former first lady, wants folks to stop (...) (21 years ago, 10-Dec-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | Re: Those who cast the votes decide nothing. —Chris Phillips
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| | | | | | | | | | | | (...) Geez, the guy gets airlifted into/out of a war zone and he still needs his mother to stick up for him? Oh, that's right... "major hostilities" ended several months ago. (...) That's Senator FLOTUS to you! - Chris. (21 years ago, 10-Dec-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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| | | | | | | | | | | | Re: Those who cast the votes decide nothing. —David Koudys
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| | | | | | | | | | (...) The pope is a radical? The leader of the Roman Catholic church? Hmmm... I think you're confusing the 'religious radical right zealots' you hang around with with "the silent majority" Or confusing the 'obviously uninformed' wrt 'coalition of (...) (21 years ago, 9-Dec-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | | | did you wave your little flag to make it go away? —Scott Arthur
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| | | | | | | | | (...) Avoiding the truth John? You deleted this line: "That is not my understanding. People have been needlessly killed, and Bush is covering the murderers’ <trails>." Did that story make you proud to support Bush, or did you have to wave your (...) (21 years ago, 9-Dec-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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| | | | | | | | | | | Re: did you wave your little flag to make it go away? —John Neal
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| | | | | | | | | | (...) They were mistakes, hence the acknowledgment with the payouts for wrongful deaths. What would you want? For us not to pay????? JOHN (21 years ago, 9-Dec-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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| | | | | | | | | | | | Re: did you wave your little flag to make it go away? —Scott Arthur
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| | | | | | | | | | (...) None of that explains this quote: "Iraqi courts, because of an order issued by the US-led authority in Baghdad in June, are forbidden from hearing cases against American soldiers or any other foreign troops or foreign officials in Iraq." These (...) (21 years ago, 10-Dec-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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| | | | | | | | | | | | Re: did you wave your little flag to make it go away? —John Neal
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| | | | | | | | | | (...) War is hell, not civil disagreement. I do not the condone cold-blooded murder of innocent people, nor does the US military. They have their rules regarding such matters, and they will deal with it. JOHN (21 years ago, 10-Dec-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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| | | | | | | | | | | | Re: did you wave your little flag to make it go away? —Scott Arthur
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| | | | | | | | | | (...) DO YOU AGREE? (...) This war could have been a "civil disagreement", but that's another issue! (...) You are avoiding the issue. How many US troops have been investigated for incidents in Iraq? Scott A (...) (21 years ago, 10-Dec-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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| | | | | | | | | | Re: Those who cast the votes decide nothing. —Scott Arthur
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| | | | | | | | | | Re: Those who cast the votes decide nothing. —Scott Arthur
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| | | | | | | | (...) Let's put some fresh meat on these bones: (URL) Iraqi civilian deaths 'avoidable'> ==+== Human Rights Watch raises some serious questions about the way in which specific weapons were employed. It strongly criticises the use of cluster (...) (21 years ago, 12-Dec-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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| | | | | | | | 2 Qs For John —Scott Arthur
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| | | | | | (...) Well said John. Just keep waving your little flag. This is what I don't understand: Q1. How is supporting human rights abuses in Israel and Saudi Arabia in your collective self interest if the end result (indirect or otherwise) is 911 and (...) (21 years ago, 9-Dec-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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| | | | | | | | Re: 2 Qs For John —Tim David
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| | | | | | | (...) I know I’m not John but I think these are good points. Doing thing for the benefit of your own country are fair enough providing you don’t care what other people (countries) think and you don’t try to present them as being for the good of the (...) (21 years ago, 9-Dec-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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| | | | | | | | Re: 2 Qs For John —John Neal
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| | | | | | (...) It's a big flag, Scott, and you should thank God that the most powerful nation in the world for the last century has been a freedom loving nation. (...) I don't know how SA popped in here, but WRT to Israel-- this country is in a struggle for (...) (21 years ago, 9-Dec-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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| | | | | | | | Re: 2 Qs For John —Scott Arthur
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| | | | | | (...) Tell that to the Vietnam war dead… an estimated (URL) 2 million> (...) Many would say that it was your nation’s support for the House of Saud that rankled OBL so much… and Bush is still covering for them! (...) Nonsense. Right-wing Israeli (...) (21 years ago, 10-Dec-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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| | | | | Re: Bush fires Guantanamo defence team —Dave Schuler
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| | | | (...) Few Liberals identify the stolen election as a major current issue; we grudgingly accept that we are, for now, stuck with the President we have, so let's move on. The lingering issue, however, is that numerous irregularities have come to light (...) (21 years ago, 5-Dec-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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| | | | | | Re: Bush fires Guantanamo defence team —David Koudys
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| | | | | In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Dave Schuler wrote: snip (...) The terribly sad part about this entire thing is the memory (or the lack thereof) of the voting populace. What I'm beginning to see right now is the American economy improving (so the (...) (21 years ago, 5-Dec-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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| | | | | | Re: Bush fires Guantanamo defence team —John Neal
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| | | | (...) Thank you. If for no other reason than its old news, ploughed ground, and things of this nature. (...) I have a sneaky suspicion that this is a lot of irregularities around the country, but Florida just happened to receive the spotlight. (...) (...) (21 years ago, 5-Dec-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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