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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Richard Marchetti wrote: (snip) I'm curious. Elsewhere in this thread the recall of Gray Davis was mentioned. I happen to think that a bad idea because I think that that could open the door for someone really horrible to (...) (21 years ago, 11-Jul-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Of course, if you simply hate Liberals, then Feinstein slithers, but at least she isn't an incompetent do-nothing. (...) We don't get a choice: it would be Cheney. I just had to one-up the Feinstein scenario you dread. :-) -->Bruce<-- (21 years ago, 11-Jul-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) If only we could figure out who won the popular vote in 2000. Seriously though--if Bush were to leave due to impeachment or wrongdoing, then naturally Cheney would have to assume the post. Unless of course Cheney is likewise guilty of (...) (21 years ago, 11-Jul-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) If only we could figure out who won the popular vote in 2000. Seriously though--if Bush were to leave due to impeachment or wrongdoing, then naturally Cheney would have to assume the post. Unless of course Cheney is likewise guilty of (...) (21 years ago, 11-Jul-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Impeachment would take focus away from Iraq -- and we need to get out of there in a big hurry -- so I'm not for impeachment, not exactly anyway. I just favor anyone but Shrub the next time around. But whomever we get, we will get the president (...) (21 years ago, 11-Jul-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) I don't think it will go anyhow; the state of CA has been going w/out a budget for days now and this Californian would rather see money for a re-election go elsewhere, like education and health services. But speaking as a native Californian, (...) (21 years ago, 11-Jul-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Correct, but I'm pretty sure that you would have to go pretty far down the pike in order to get to a Democrat, which is really what this whole thing is all about (partisan politics). JOHN (21 years ago, 11-Jul-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Not really. I'd only object to Cheney inasmuch as he is probably just as responsible as Dubya is. I don't regard duping the American people into spending billions of dollars and the lives of American service men and women as merely "politics". (...) (21 years ago, 11-Jul-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) I love how you minimize AMERICANS DYING on foreign soil and WAR in general as mere partisan politics! Yeah, we're all just little partisan pawns to move about to and fro on your Xtian "apocalypse" game board, John. For the upteenth time, and (...) (21 years ago, 11-Jul-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Gad, you are obtuse. I love how you minimize 1,000s OF AMERICANS who died on OUR soil! There is a very real threat out there, whether you choose to acknowledge it or not. We may never know the results of the pre-emptive deposing of SH, but I'd (...) (21 years ago, 12-Jul-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) So instead of having an honest justification -- since you have never been able to provide even a single bit of evidence to connect SH, AQ, and/or OBL -- you'd rather just invade countries within the world of Islam? Yeah, that's not anything (...) (21 years ago, 12-Jul-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) It is time that all of the world's tinpot leaders get the message that supporting terrorism and terrorists will lead to their ruin. (...) That may have been good advice 200 years ago, but the world is a smaller place today. There is no more (...) (21 years ago, 12-Jul-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) So if we declare nuetrality and state that anyone whom attacks the U.S. will be wiped off the planet that would accomplish that goal. (...) See above. (...) Hmm. Protecting our way of life huh? You mean like ignoring the bill of rights. (...) (...) (21 years ago, 13-Jul-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) So then how does that differ from how we reacted after 9-11? There wasn't any country responsible for that attack. Whom or what would you wipe off the planet? (...) No, Mike, I mean as in protecting oil fields so that they may be marketed to (...) (21 years ago, 13-Jul-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Well that is about the only thing we have accomplished thus far, except for the "world freely" part. (...) Right so after Afganistan, Saudi Arabia was the only country that we can actually prove did that. (...) Well given that there are more (...) (21 years ago, 13-Jul-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) That's your reply? It is absolutely a waste of time to discuss anything with you -- a person that does nothing but reiterate the nonsensical and empty platitudes of his favorite party. If you could but once come here with a cite from anyone (...) (21 years ago, 13-Jul-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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Snipped a lot of stuff to focus on a couple of bits... (...) I think that may be going a bit far. The government did a poor job of acting on evidence it had before it, but that's a lot different than actually "letting" the attacks succeed. There's (...) (21 years ago, 13-Jul-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Well consider what has transpired. The Governement has "accomplished" much that public opinion never would have allowed prior to 9/11. What have the perpetrators' supporters gained? Why has there not been another attack despite the fact that (...) (21 years ago, 14-Jul-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) We know Saudis perpetrated it; whether they were government sponsored or not is unclear. I tend to think not. OBL is a criminal in Saudi Arabia, and the Wahabi sect of Islam is just as dangerous to their way of life as it is to ours. (...) We (...) (21 years ago, 14-Jul-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Some are and some aren't. A policy that said we would consistently attack (with nuclear weapons) any country that had a leader that said "Bush is a weenie" would be indeed consistent, but worse than what we have now. (...) Because they're a (...) (21 years ago, 14-Jul-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) My reply to what? You snipped the context thankyouverymuch. Bad form. (...) Then pray tell why did you even reply to this post? (...) What a silly thing to say! As if providing "cites" bestows merit on a particular post. (...) Sorry, Richard, (...) (21 years ago, 14-Jul-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Hehe, I have to laugh every time I hear that. Sure there were probably con artists that sold back yard programs to "fix" PCs, but the Y2K "problem" was in fact a problem, in that a lot of money had to be spent to fix it. And fixed it was (...) (21 years ago, 14-Jul-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) It is -- thanks for recognizing that. Too bad some of the rest of you are so mentally challenged. (...) Where is the QUESTION? A declarative statement is not a question. You stated: "I believe that the perceived threat was never from the Iraqi (...) (21 years ago, 14-Jul-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) I must remind the reader that no credible link has been shown to exist between Al-qaeda and Saddam Hussein, so any references to "{1,000s of AMERICANS} who died on {OUR} soil" are irrelevant to the issue of Dubya's decision to send thousands (...) (21 years ago, 14-Jul-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) And yet the Saudi government has done nothing. (...) Yeah cause dictatorships are a "way of life" we actually care about protecting. (...) So what is the basis of your disagreement. (...) Yeah its only been cited practiclly every time the (...) (21 years ago, 14-Jul-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Well at least that would be consistent. :-D Seriously though I see what your getting at. (...) I was simply wondering why we are calling them that when prior to the war Bush & company stated we were not going to occupy the country for the sake (...) (21 years ago, 14-Jul-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Look, I don't claim to understand everything that is going on in Saudi Arabia. Do they sponsor terrorism? Maybe, but then why is OBL persona non grata in the Kingdom? Perhaps the right sheik doesn't know what the left sheik is sponsoring. I (...) (21 years ago, 15-Jul-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) The point is that there are actual links between the Saudi government and OBL. There are no such links between OBL and Saddam. (...) OK (URL) please read> (...) Well the mass media passed on the propaganda didn't they. They just happened to (...) (21 years ago, 15-Jul-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) As usual, John -- not too much information, have you? We wouldn't want to sully your political perspective with anything like facts or meaningful conjecture... Something like $80 - $100 million were spent on the Clinton Whitewater and "Oval (...) (21 years ago, 15-Jul-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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