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| | | so opines Khaled Saffuri, saying "For Iraq to be free, property must belong to its people.", in a editorial column in today's USA Today. (URL) view is also held by Hernando de Soto, and by me... quoting: - start - Iraq is not the only country (...) (21 years ago, 30-Apr-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | Re: Property Rights are the foundation of freedom —Scott Arthur
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| | | | (...) Do you extend that to intellectual property? The evidence suggests otherwise. (...) I would have thought that "The principal reason for the failure of capitalism to gain a stable foothold in most of the developing world" is the tendency for (...) (21 years ago, 30-Apr-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | Re: Property Rights are the foundation of freedom —Scott Costello
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| | | | (...) And so there goes the myth presented by the anti-capitalists, these big fat cat tycoons light their cigars with $100 bills while their employees all slave away in sweat shops. Poor economic conditions in Iraq are the fault of the west? This is (...) (21 years ago, 30-Apr-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | Re: Property Rights are the foundation of freedom —Richard Marchetti
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| | | | | (...) Wow, you really haven't a clue have you? That's it, just keep living your comfortable american life on the backs of the poor. Energy is limitless... Anybody else want to tackle this one? I am not sure I can do it without getting banned from (...) (21 years ago, 30-Apr-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | Re: Property Rights are the foundation of freedom —Scott Costello
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| | | | | | (...) Me clueless? maybe on somethings, but I don't thiink this is it, I just disagree with you. The only poor I live off the backs off is my grandparents who left their repressive country for a free nation where inspite of difficulty they were able (...) (21 years ago, 30-Apr-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | Re: Property Rights are the foundation of freedom —David Koudys
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| | | | | | | This is turning out to be a better thread than I originally surmized--I wasn't sure where to jump in, but here's a good a place as any :) (...) YOur grandpa left an oppressed country to come to "the promised land". My grandparents did the same (...) (21 years ago, 30-Apr-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | Re: Property Rights are the foundation of freedom —Richard Marchetti
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| | | | | | | (...) No, you bury your head in the sand hoping that unpleasant facts will simply go away. ---...--- "Unprecedented verdict frees Adidas shoe worker in Indonesia" (URL) 1993 a worker named Marsinah, in a situation very similar to Ngadinah's, was (...) (21 years ago, 30-Apr-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | | Re: Property Rights are the foundation of freedom —David Koudys
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| | | | | | | | In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Richard Marchetti writes: <snip> (...) Hey Richard, can we not bring Christianity into *one* thread? It wasn't mentioned before and equating Scotts ideas to Christianity is wrongful and unwarranted in this instance. I'm (...) (21 years ago, 30-Apr-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | | | Re: Property Rights are the foundation of freedom —Richard Marchetti
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| | | | | | | | (...) Shrub has made Xtianity the excuse of every depraved thing his administration stands for. I stand behind my comment though further discussion may be futile. Again, and I stress it, wouldn't it be better to simply be compassionate? The (...) (21 years ago, 30-Apr-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | | | Re: Property Rights are the foundation of freedom —David Koudys
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| | | | | | | | (...) Completely agreed, but blaming Christians because of stupid Christians is as dumb as blaming Muslims for stupid Muslims is as dumb as blaming Athiests for stupid Athiests... My compassion, I like to think, comes from my Christian values, but (...) (21 years ago, 30-Apr-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | | | Re: Property Rights are the foundation of freedom —Richard Marchetti
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| | | | | | | | (...) Excellent! (...) Yes and no. All debates revolve around appeals to ethos, logos, and pathos. In English these are ethical, logical, and emotional appeals; repectively. In mentioning Xtianity, I was remembering Costello's trust in a praying (...) (21 years ago, 30-Apr-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | | | Re: Property Rights are the foundation of freedom —David Koudys
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| | | | | | | | | In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Richard Marchetti writes: <snip> (...) completely (...) K, when I drop by to say Hi, I'm calling first, so you know it's me coming as a fellow AFOL and not a "Bible Thumper" where you'll have to "git yer gun at 'im!" (...) (21 years ago, 30-Apr-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | | | Re: Property Rights are the foundation of freedom —Scott Costello
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| | | | | | | | Wow, I make a post, go to lunch, come back and the thread now is about me and my religion. (...) Although I do trust in the current president, and appreciate his commitment to religion, this in now way should be misinterpreted as a blind faith and (...) (21 years ago, 30-Apr-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | | | Re: Property Rights are the foundation of freedom —Richard Marchetti
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| | | | | | | | (...) A firm belief in the win-win scenario. Despite my grousing, I am an optimist and an idealist. The optimal result is achieved when everybody wins. When I was in college and faced with the mind-numbing task of having to instantly recall (...) (21 years ago, 30-Apr-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | | | Re: Property Rights are the foundation of freedom —Scott Costello
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| | | | | | | | (...) <snip> I remember those types of exams, and man did I hate them, I much prefered writing pages of compare and contrast etc. By you description of you study techniques you are obviously a hard worker, but you were motivated by a desire to (...) (21 years ago, 30-Apr-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | Re: Property Rights are the foundation of freedom —Scott Arthur
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| | | | | | (...) Employment laws are one of the greatest achievements of most developed countries. Do you want to return to what your grandparents had to endure, or are you not grateful that things have moved on? Our children belong in school not sweatshops. (...) (21 years ago, 2-May-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | Re: Property Rights are the foundation of freedom —Scott Costello
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| | | | | | (...) The true irony here is the fact that labor laws have not improved working conditions, just relocated them. The same conditions that were so horrible in this country, now exist in under developed countries, and those manafacturing jobs that (...) (21 years ago, 2-May-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | Re: Property Rights are the foundation of freedom —Richard Marchetti
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| | | | | | | More proof that what is really needed, but will never happen, is an economic Jubilee akin to what is described in the Old Testament. -- Hop-Frog (21 years ago, 2-May-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | Re: Property Rights are the foundation of freedom —Richie Dulin
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| | | | | | | In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Scott Costello writes: <snip> (...) Who is the average person? How do you know his or her standard of living is still really good compared to other nations? Cheers Richie (21 years ago, 4-May-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | | Re: Property Rights are the foundation of freedom —Richard Marchetti
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| | | | | | | | (...) I wish I could locate a cite right now, but the average american believes wrongly that they are within the top 1-5% of the wealthy in the U.S. Costello believes wrongly that the average american is doing well economically, but is probably (...) (21 years ago, 5-May-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | | | Re: Property Rights are the foundation of freedom —Richie Dulin
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| | | | | | | | | (...) Yes. Australians appear to be similar. (...) Absolutely. A good average standard of living is not necessarily an indicator that the average person has a good standard of living. I always wonder why people who would never favour dividing the (...) (21 years ago, 5-May-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | | | | Re: Property Rights are the foundation of freedom —Scott Arthur
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| | | | | | | | | | (...) I agree. What matters is how happy we are. There is no point in sidelining our friends & family just to "conform". Scott A (21 years ago, 5-May-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | | | Re: Property Rights are the foundation of freedom —Scott Costello
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| | | | | | | | (...) I am generally not a big fan of throwing out unsubstanciated numbers to back up a point, but I believe the last numbers I saw showed that the top 10% of wage earners in the US started at $75,000 a year. I also saw a survey that showed that 90% (...) (21 years ago, 5-May-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | | | Re: Property Rights are the foundation of freedom —Richie Dulin
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| | | | | | | | (...) <snip> (...) But you didn't make a claim that "the percentage of people in this country without a roof over their heads, electricity, and running water is much higher than in most places" in your earlier post. You claimed that "[the] standard (...) (21 years ago, 5-May-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | Re: Property Rights are the foundation of freedom —Scott Arthur
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| | | | | | (...) Welcome to Globalisation! It’s a pity that the market is governed by price & not ethics… (...) ... and millions go without healthcare. I understand that the Cuban system may be better than that offered to some in the USA? (...) Sure, they can (...) (21 years ago, 5-May-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | Re: Property Rights are the foundation of freedom —Scott Arthur
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| | | | (...) Did I say that? (...) Who mentioned the USA? (...) ...and who supported him? The "West" perhaps? (...) Hong Kong has [or at least had] one of the freest markets in the world. Have you seen what life is like in that country? I'll stay in (...) (21 years ago, 30-Apr-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | Re: Property Rights are the foundation of freedom —Scott Costello
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| | | | (...) Thank you for pointing out the key fundamental ideological difference between communist/socialists and capitalists. When a person starts a business, what is their primary concern? To make money, any business hoping to stay in business needs to (...) (21 years ago, 30-Apr-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | Re: Property Rights are the foundation of freedom —Richie Dulin
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| | | | (...) What is the difference between ensuring workers' don't die at work from an industrial accident and ensuring that workers' don't die at work from starvation? Or for that matter, ensuring workers' don't die from an industrial accident caused by (...) (21 years ago, 30-Apr-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | Re: Property Rights are the foundation of freedom —Scott Costello
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| | | | (...) Are you saying that an employer is now not only responsible for providing a wage, and safe work environment, but now also has a responsibility to assure that their employees are properly fed and rested? If this is the case should a man with (...) (21 years ago, 1-May-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | Re: Property Rights are the foundation of freedom —Richie Dulin
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| | | | (...) No, I am not saying anything. I am asking what the difference is. (...) Yet (some) employers do test their employees for drugs and fatigue and physical capacity to carry out tasks. Why not test for (say) malnutrition, when it's going to (...) (21 years ago, 1-May-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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