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Re: Property Rights are the foundation of freedom
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lugnet.off-topic.debate
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Wed, 30 Apr 2003 21:03:01 GMT
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Wow, I make a post, go to lunch, come back and the thread now is about me
and my religion.
In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Richard Marchetti writes:
> In lugnet.off-topic.debate, David Koudys writes:
> > My compassion, I like to think, comes from my Christian values, but that
> > sounds stupid--I'd be compassionate no matter what I believed in, 'cause
> > it's the right thing to do, no matter your porfessed god (or lack thereof).
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> Excellent!
>
> > Or is this a great tangent, like the ones I take everybody on?
>
> Yes and no. All debates revolve around appeals to ethos, logos, and pathos.
> In English these are ethical, logical, and emotional appeals; repectively.
>
> In mentioning Xtianity, I was remembering Costello's trust in a praying U.S.
> President who seeks guidance from on high. Having recognized his ethical
> concerns, I appealed to Costello on that level. The Xtian ethic I called
> into question was that of compassion, as a desirable trait.
Although I do trust in the current president, and appreciate his commitment
to religion, this in now way should be misinterpreted as a blind faith and
trust in anyone else religious. Please don't assume all Christians are brain
washed drones. I approach each situation with a completely open mind, and
can easily differentiate between GWB and David Koresch. I didn't trust
Clinton and he regularly prayed and attended church.
> I mentioned Ford selling to his own employees as an appeal to logic that
> supports capitalism in a purer, less offensive, form.
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> And I noted the actual harm suffered by workers abroad as an appeal to
> pathos -- in the hopes that Costello had it in him to feel the suffering of
> others just a little. This is actually where I began, and was linked to my
> final point concerning Xtian ethics more generally.
My position has nothing to do with compassion or empathy toward the status
of the poor workers, I do really feel for them. I am so blessed to have been
born to parents who live in a free country and had good enough jobs that I
never went hungry. I truely believe that if these impoverished countries
were able to experience economic freedom their lives would be better. These
people should be protected and given every opportunity under the law to
succeed economically, and I believe that a free market economy benefits
everyone.
The issue is not that I do not see what you see, nor understand what you
understand, the true issue is that our solutions are different. I believe
that empowering individuals by giving them the freedom to choose who to work
for, or to start their own business is the best answer. I also belive that
too much government regulation hurts business, which in turn hurts workers.
> Make sense now?
>
> Taking potshots at Xtianity is just a fun hobby of mine -- no more or less
> tedious than the missionaries that show up at my own door from time to time.
Finally as a non religious person, what is the source of your compassion?
True darwinism calls for survival of the fittest, your commitment on a
certain level to compassion betrays your lack of belief in a higher power.
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