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(...) Yes. (...) I expect the cost would have been high, but worth paying. (...) Others have already. But if it matters to you, feel free to disprove it. (...) I think it is every bit as relevant as WW1. The USA continues to make bad decisions – (...) (23 years ago, 13-Nov-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I'm not "anti-American", I'm pro-justice. Understand the difference. Scott A (23 years ago, 13-Nov-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Not at all. Blacks *did* have serious civil rights issues. Most of the country has been able to get beyond simple racism. Today many blacks face many social and economic problems (as does everyone else!)-- but to continually blame racism is (...) (23 years ago, 13-Nov-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Why not? Why are millions well (...) You choose to dodge my question, so I'll ignore yours for the moment. Are you claiming that blacks haven't been put into a difficult position in the first place due to factors mentioned above? You may ask (...) (23 years ago, 13-Nov-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) *Are* all blacks in the "less money" hole? Why not? Why are millions well off, dispite all of the things you mentioned? I am not trying to sweep all of those things under the rug; I am calling for people who use such arguments as excuses to (...) (23 years ago, 13-Nov-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) How did blacks get into the "less money" hole? Are you honestly trying to sweep slavery, racism, Jim Crow laws, blocking of access to education, discrimination in the workplace under the rug? If you pretend that this didn't happen, then you (...) (23 years ago, 12-Nov-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) nothing (...) "neither", (...) here. Thanks for not going there again. (...) Where did I mention muslims? ROSCO (23 years ago, 12-Nov-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Islam is not "Believe or die", nor it ever was. Neither was Christianity. Yet, both religions were used as pretexts by loonies - that is inevitable! (...) I have a hard time believing Allah wrote the Khoran. Somehow I tend to follow a more (...) (23 years ago, 12-Nov-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I'd argue the "true but irrelavant" charge. Ignore Europe, stomp Japan with all our resources (is anyone contesting we couldn't do it?) then deal with Germany. Japan only took so long because they were on the constant back-burner. It's a silly (...) (23 years ago, 12-Nov-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I know that. I was referring to the use of the two bombs as part of a larger conflict - they were not a terrorist act themselves, IMHO. (...) It is not terrorism, but it is close. The name for it is "total war", a concept that was born in the (...) (23 years ago, 12-Nov-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) What about US corporations preventing their laborors in the third world from unionizing? I'm sure they have had a hand in local politics as well. Didn't anyone see Zoolander (half joking). (...) Pittsburgh has largely cleaned itself up. Most (...) (23 years ago, 12-Nov-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Okay, but so what? Statistically, one group will *have* to make more than the other group-- what is the point? The point is that there are haves and havenots-- why introduce race into the equation? How does that ultimately matter? And what (...) (23 years ago, 12-Nov-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Are you out of your mind again? Christianity and Christians are TO THIS DAY actively engaged in the banning and suppression of materials they find offensive or contradictory to the orthodoxy. Witness the disgusting efforts of Michael Behe & (...) (23 years ago, 12-Nov-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Not to get off-topic (well, this is the off-topic forum), but I am curious, what would the people making 10 cents a day make as income if U.S.ians didn't buy Nike shoes? Would they make nothing a day? Are there jobs in their countries that pay (...) (23 years ago, 12-Nov-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) This statement should no have to be proved to such a keen observer of the world but since you asked. 1) I was reading about the island of Borneo the other day and the exploitation of the their rainforests to provide cheap lumber to Japan (a (...) (23 years ago, 12-Nov-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Hi Dave, I agree with you that these affect the global environment, but you do they show exploitation of the developing world? -chris (23 years ago, 12-Nov-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Not the believe like us or die variety. That may be been en vogue 100s of years ago for Christianity, but Christianity grew out of those dark times, and continues to change with time (although the basic message is the same). Islam has no (...) (23 years ago, 12-Nov-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Well considering the decision to drill in Alaska hasn't been made yet, and has failed every time so far that Congress has tried to pass it, I think you're jumping the gun on this one. I'd say that the U.S. is at worst split down the middle (...) (23 years ago, 12-Nov-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Not going to speak for Scott, but I took his meaning as: If we do a poll, we will find out that the *majority* of black people make a lot less money and live in disadvantagious areas of the US than the *majority* of white people. Since you, (...) (23 years ago, 12-Nov-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Not hard at all--science. More specifics--space program, aeronautics, other stuff--yes the world benefitted from these things but specifically, the US--letting in German scientists and turning a blind eye to some atrocities during the war they (...) (23 years ago, 12-Nov-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Are you serious?? I have been *trying* to point out to you that, not only is such a spurious allogation not true, but *IT IS RACIST*. I never once made such a claim. Are you still beating your wife? -John (23 years ago, 12-Nov-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) No, but we got Dr. Who, Monty Python, Absolutely Fabulous, and The Young Ones. (...) The US benefitted in terms of the synthetic rubber industry, computer industry, aircraft manufacturing industry, and the certainly in terms of the advent of (...) (23 years ago, 12-Nov-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Don't forget Lend Lease (did we ever get any of the lends back?) (...) True but irrelevant. What matters is who would have won if we hadn't entered, and if you conclude the Allies would have (not a foregone conclusion by any means), at what (...) (23 years ago, 12-Nov-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Is much like if I say 'The Giants Win the Pennant!! The Giants win the pennant!!" but more apt--is the line the announcer said when the finishing blow in a famous boxing match was thrown--"Down goes Fraser!" = finishing blow = nail in coffin = (...) (23 years ago, 12-Nov-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) You'll have to explain this colloquialism to me. Scott A (23 years ago, 12-Nov-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Scott Arthur writes: <snip> (...) Bingo. (...) Ouch! Truth. (...) Slam! Down goes Fraser! (...) And finally the punch that Ali never threw--Wow, new appreciation for Scott. (...) Wow! Scott hit the nail directly on the (...) (23 years ago, 12-Nov-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I'm not ignoring anything. GDP is the standard way of measuring it - under Agenda 21, the Official Development Assistance (ODA) aid target of 0.7% of GDP was set. Even when measured per head of population, the USA is still hitting below its (...) (23 years ago, 12-Nov-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) And I think that war is hell, and that when you're in a *war*, that it truly is an 'us and them' scenario. There is no denying that the 'politic', the 'intelligencia' and the 'people' have to be 'on-side' in order to fight and maintain a war (...) (23 years ago, 12-Nov-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Giving more in raw dollars and being lower as a percentage of GDP are not mutually exclusive if the GDPs are different, a fact being conveniently ignored by your detractors, John. This also omits private contributions, and the aid in kind for (...) (23 years ago, 12-Nov-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) The two atomic bomb raids were not the only US bomb raids on Japan during the second world war. US low level incendiary bomb raids started much earlier. The aim of the night time bomb raids were the civillian population, which largely lived in (...) (23 years ago, 12-Nov-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I expect you are correct. I searched for the WHO rankings, but I had no luck. Although I did find this: (URL) makes no mention of Cuba, but it does tell us the WHO places the US system at number 38 [very average]. The rankings appear to be (...) (23 years ago, 12-Nov-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Actually, the bomb was dropped to scare the Japanese, thus ending the war. I don't see that as terrorism, though - terrorism implies a much more prolonged chain of events than a couple weeks in August '45. Terrorism is ETA in Spain, IRA in (...) (23 years ago, 12-Nov-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) More data: Country Foreign Aid % GDP Japan 0.28 France 0.55 Germany 0.31 USA 0.10 Netherlands 0.81 UK 0.28 Canada 0.38 These figures hide the fact that Isreal gets most of the aid from the USA. Scott A (...) (23 years ago, 11-Nov-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I'm asking you john why you think non-whites in the USA are genetically predisposed to have disproportionately less economic freedom. Scott A (...) (23 years ago, 12-Nov-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) There is that... if America didn't revolt--taxation w/o representation and all that--how would the world be today? Though to be said--the xenophobic america who wouldn't enter a war until their collective face is slapped, also has to be looked (...) (23 years ago, 12-Nov-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I tell you, the word "terrorism" gets so over/misused. The purpose of terrorism is to evoke fear in a GP for the purpose of swaying opinion. We dropped the bombs on Japan to bring about a quick end to the war (that *they* started BTW), not to (...) (23 years ago, 12-Nov-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Ya, because we did the heavy lifting for you and GB realised that they could let you have your way peacefully, or keep a cork on things a bit longer and see you either revolt, or be annexed by us... Grin, duck, run (23 years ago, 12-Nov-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Evidentily, no one was paying attention on how to successfully pull off a revolution. Wimps! :-) (...) Oh, alright, I don't particularly want to see Canada broken up either (Canadians are too darn peaceful - ya shoulda shot DeGaul when you had (...) (23 years ago, 12-Nov-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Yes, Pedro was right--Quebec did not want to 'bring the constitution home' for they could appeal to a highter authority than the Canadian Supreme court if they were denied something from the Supreme Court. The separatists wanted a higher (...) (23 years ago, 11-Nov-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Herein lies the real problem. You hit it right on the head with that question, Rosco. I am somewhat in favor of blasting violent people with violent retaliation, but I do fear that to some extent such activity can breed future violence. Many (...) (23 years ago, 11-Nov-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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