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(...) All I am asking is upon what do you believe our society is based. If you think it is a myriad of things, fine. What are they? (...) Upon what exactly do you base your assertion? (...) What I mean is that you are asserting things for which you (...) (20 years ago, 18-Jun-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) You might find this (URL) site> amusing, in its discussions of why and how US involvement in WWI, WWII and WWIII was orchestrated. I had a learned friend of mine ernestly suggesting that the US administration had had a plan to join in WWII (...) (20 years ago, 18-Jun-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Um, these rights are already very easy to take away. George W. Bush has, for example, taken them away from a whole bunch of people, both as Governor and as President, both here and abroad. Is Dubya so powerful that he can supplant the Will of (...) (20 years ago, 17-Jun-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Holy crap, I just found (URL) It's viewable for free, but registration will apparently be required before long. Here's the salient bit: The unidentified detainee, believed to be a leader of the outlawed Ansar al Islam group, was held without (...) (20 years ago, 17-Jun-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) I think I know why. The stakes are so much higher now that it is too horrifying to accept. Most people I know, as far as I can figure, simply refuse to believe that President Bush was lying to us the whole time to gain approval to pursue his (...) (20 years ago, 17-Jun-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) 8^( No, alas. I guess it would have been more precise to say "legitimately" instead of "simply." Dave! (20 years ago, 17-Jun-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Wanna bet? Chris (20 years ago, 17-Jun-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Not surprisingly, Dubya is still (URL) clinging> to his "admit no error policy." Here are a few lies of omission worth noting: "This administration never said that the 9-11 attacks were orchestrated between Saddam and al-Qaida," he said. Even (...) (20 years ago, 17-Jun-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) You're blurring the issue. The Bush administration made and continues to make claims and accusations regarding the "known" ties between Iraq and Al Qaeda, and those claims were used to justify the war that has resulted in over 800 American (...) (20 years ago, 17-Jun-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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Not exactly two people you'd expect to be getting along so well. (URL) interesting interview whether you agree or disagree with either or both ... (20 years ago, 17-Jun-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Richard Parsons wrote: (...) Whatever. I simply dug up the link because Dave's original post mentioned it and then immediately dismissed it with a somewhat misleading comment. With that link you and others are now (...) (20 years ago, 17-Jun-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) All media is biased in some way. And you're right, it's a problem that folks like yourself can't seem to see that. Anyhow, the point that I seem unable to make is that simply reprinting it adds nothing. It merely serves as propaganda. No doubt (...) (20 years ago, 17-Jun-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Hard to see this as simply counter-spin. Indeed, its a bit light on for spin at all. It is a grave concern when folks can't seperate the spin from the facts. Its like treating the various newspapers in Don's other post (which for the most part (...) (20 years ago, 17-Jun-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Hey thanks, I never heard of a freeper before, but google has. Here's the top link from a list on the yipping ground. (URL) it does point to a freeper page, the page itself contains many quotes from various international newspapers. Are you (...) (20 years ago, 16-Jun-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) I saw that report on CNN on the "Politics" page and right on the side bar was another 'report' stating that Dubya still believes the link was there. I was also at the Freepers yipping ground today and one guy had a whole list of links to (...) (20 years ago, 16-Jun-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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Like, oh wauw, haven't hear that already 2 years ago... So, no evidence of WoMD in 3, 2, 1... Oh well, always handy to control oil supplies to Russia and China isn't it. Jeroen "Scott A" <dr_scott_arthur@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message (...) (20 years ago, 16-Jun-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) snip Yes, that is exactly what you're doing. You failed to provide even a paragraph of your own valuable insight. No need to be so lazy. We all know you can do better than that. (20 years ago, 16-Jun-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(URL) 9/11 Panel: No Evidence Connecting Iraq to Al Qaeda> How does one engage a special prosecutor? Scott A (20 years ago, 16-Jun-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) I'm an atheist. I refused to speak the pledge throughout my school years. I was beaten and ridiculed by my peers while the teachers pretended not to notice because of my stance. I oppose the recitation of the Pledge of Allegiance because that (...) (20 years ago, 14-Jun-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) People say things like that occasionally, but I don't think it's an endemic view. I know a few professors and they're all quite underpaid -- by which I mean they could be working in the private sector and making twice as much or more for (...) (20 years ago, 14-Jun-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I have the impression that in nations with a richer socialist tradition (like the UK), it is much more acceptable to accept from the public coffers the kind of aid that's being discussed here and in turn, to take seriously the responsibility (...) (20 years ago, 14-Jun-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Either you're extremely sensitive about this, or you must've missed the winky. That was intended to be an absurd example to bring something you said earlier (and eventually snipped) into perspective. But if you wish, I suppose you could (...) (20 years ago, 14-Jun-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) 2 Points then: 1. What experience do you have of Universities outside the USA? 2. What makes you think "professors" are "overpaid"? (...) First you will have to show me that "free" education produces "idealists with no concept of the real (...) (20 years ago, 14-Jun-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) See: (URL) A (20 years ago, 14-Jun-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I cringe. Bruce (20 years ago, 14-Jun-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I've wondered whether conservatives would cringe or rejoice at this gutless attempt at sidestepping the issue, since the only real message that it sends is that schools should control children, not their parents. -->Bruce<-- (20 years ago, 14-Jun-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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I saw this article in today's paper and it just made me think of OTD- (URL) to building (20 years ago, 14-Jun-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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They'll find any excuse they can to avoid the truly "tough"(1) issues these days. (URL) I don't consider this a tough issue, but it's politically tough, and the SC is pretty much in the political branch of govt these days. -- Tom Stangl *(URL) (...) (20 years ago, 14-Jun-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Is this considered an issue in the US? Apart from the odd mindlessly populist talk radio presenter, its not here. Its hard to know whether Don's being insightful, inciteful, sarcastic, or just pointlessly talkative. I am trying hard to (...) (20 years ago, 14-Jun-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I never mentioned the US. Take your blinders off, or open your eyes. I know. It's Monday. (...) Exactly what I'm talking about. It should not be free at the point of delivery because that simply produces over-educated idealists with no concept (...) (20 years ago, 14-Jun-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Who cares about Rugby League? That said, I'm now (URL) loosing> interest in Union too. Scott A (20 years ago, 14-Jun-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) I have no idea what you are talking about; I have never set foot in a US university. As an aside, I understand university "professors" in the US do not get paid out of term-time? (...) Read what I said. It is only "free" at the point of (...) (20 years ago, 14-Jun-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Perhaps, but that doesn't help us right the balance in in your proposal above. (...) I'm truly surprised you haven't suggested one obvious solution. Why not let the government regulate the wages of those overpaid, barely working university (...) (20 years ago, 12-Jun-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Yeah, but quoting song lyrics is so much more fun. In a way, I suppose that is my point. :) Don (20 years ago, 12-Jun-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Now this would be NEWS ! Can't this fashion victim just leave us alone. (...) Next thing they will tell us, is that H.Paul is representing New Zealand in International Rugby League Test matches. (20 years ago, 12-Jun-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Goodness. There's a lot more to it than that. I was surprised that you discount it so easily, but that's my mistake. Obviously I should expect that there are avidly pro-establishment folks who treat naysayers with the same disdain I feel when (...) (20 years ago, 12-Jun-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Happy to defer to the Depeche Mode experts. As always, can only talk with certainty about what it means to me :-) Richard Still baldly going (20 years ago, 11-Jun-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) I'm not sure I agree that that is what the song is about. I think it is saying there are two types of news stories (facts): Real news: "Bomb blast victim fights for life". Celebrity tittle-tattle: "Princess Di is wearing a new dress". Gore's (...) (20 years ago, 11-Jun-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Don, If you really think that is what I'm doing, please just show us the "facts" and prove me wrong. You'll find it much easier than quoting song lyrics to make a point... if you have one! ;) Scott A (...) (20 years ago, 11-Jun-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Personally, I (URL) Can’t Get Enough>. ;) Scott A (20 years ago, 11-Jun-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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