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Subject: 
when you change the facts
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Date: 
Fri, 11 Jun 2004 18:24:35 GMT
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Richard Parsons wrote:
   In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Don Heyse wrote:
   And since you’re quoting old pop tunes, consider these. I’d have thought this one was your motto. “You can’t change the world, but you can change the facts...”

An interesting choice.

And what you might say with irony I say with conviction (1). These lyrics would be a fine theme. I’d say Scott is trying to change some people’s ‘facts’, because their ‘facts’ just aren’t.

As the song points out - you can change the world.

You can’t change the world
But you can change the facts
And when you change the facts
You change points of view
If you change points of view
You may change a vote
And when you change a vote
You may change the world


Indeed, I venture to guess that there are respectable careers made in international affairs by changing facts here and there to support policy.

In a world of perceptions so carefully crafted by spin, challenging some of these ‘facts’ back seems almost like a duty.

I’m not sure I agree that that is what the song is about. I think it is saying there are two types of news stories (facts):
  1. Real news: “Bomb blast victim fights for life”.
  2. Celebrity tittle-tattle: “Princess Di is wearing a new dress”.
Gore’s point is that media focus on the latter “fact” means that nothing is done about the former. Therefore, changing the facts (the News Story) can change the world.

Scott A


  
And I really know next to nothing about Depeche Mode other than that the pop-ups on Don’s favourite Depeche Mode lyrics site give me the irrits, and the meaning of the name.

Richard
Still baldly going...

(1 - Yes yes I know its a quote from Picard, from an eposide I probably haven’t seen in 10 years - some of these things just stick in the memory :-)



Message has 2 Replies:
  Re: when you change the facts
 
(...) Happy to defer to the Depeche Mode experts. As always, can only talk with certainty about what it means to me :-) Richard Still baldly going (20 years ago, 11-Jun-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
  Re: when you change the facts
 
(...) Now this would be NEWS ! Can't this fashion victim just leave us alone. (...) Next thing they will tell us, is that H.Paul is representing New Zealand in International Rugby League Test matches. (20 years ago, 12-Jun-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)

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  Re: The Real Waste (lyrics from Fashion News)
 
(...) An interesting choice. And what you might say with irony I say with conviction (1). These lyrics would be a fine theme. I'd say Scott is trying to change some people's 'facts', because their 'facts' just aren't. As the song points out - you (...) (20 years ago, 11-Jun-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)

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