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Re: The Real Waste Re: More waste (was Re: More Orwell, for everyone!
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lugnet.off-topic.debate
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Sat, 12 Jun 2004 12:34:30 GMT
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Scott Arthur wrote:
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Don Heyse wrote:
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Scott Arthur wrote:
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One has to
Get the Balance Right: today’s Undergrad’s are tomorrow’s tax payers. The
better the education they get today, the more they can earn (and contribute
back) in the future. Why not base education on ability to learn not
ability to pay?
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Because that doesn’t account for the desire to learn.
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Good students have desire and ability. Good courses should only take
students with both qualities... … to do anything else is a waste of
everyone’s time.
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Perhaps, but that doesn’t help us right the balance in in your proposal
above.
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If you truly
want to learn, you’ll find a way to pay. Your way rewards intelligent
lazy people (you?). I’d say there’s a balance somewhere, but you haven’t
got it right either.
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I’m truly surprised you haven’t suggested one obvious solution. Why not
let the government regulate the wages of those overpaid, barely working
university professors? That’s sure to bring the cost of higher education
down and it has a certain ring of fairness to it. ;)
No, I didn’t think you’d like that idea. But you’re almost right about
the cost of higher education. The cost is out of balance. It’s gotten
way to high. But we need a balanced approach to fix it. There’s something
to be said about paying back 10 years worth of student loans to teach you
a thing or two about value that you don’t get in school. However lifelong
debt is a bit too heavy a lesson. Find me a reasonable solution that
provides some true balance. Hint, don’t use the word “free”.
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And since you’re quoting old pop tunes, consider these. I’d have thought
this one
was your motto. “You can’t change the world, but you can change the
facts...”
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Why so? Or are you too lazy to explain yourself?
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Err, you caught me. Search lugnet for me and lazy and you’ll see we
go way back.
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The song is rather dated now, but the message is still a strong one! Black
Celebration is still their best Album...
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Yes, so what’s worth a listen these days? The monopolists own the
airwaves here so it’s a bit to homogenized on the lowest common
denominator.
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But perhaps you should listen once more to the message in
this one.
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Have fun,
Don
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Message has 2 Replies:
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| (...) I have no idea what you are talking about; I have never set foot in a US university. As an aside, I understand university "professors" in the US do not get paid out of term-time? (...) Read what I said. It is only "free" at the point of (...) (20 years ago, 14-Jun-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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| (...) Is this considered an issue in the US? Apart from the odd mindlessly populist talk radio presenter, its not here. Its hard to know whether Don's being insightful, inciteful, sarcastic, or just pointlessly talkative. I am trying hard to (...) (20 years ago, 14-Jun-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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