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(...) <snip> (...) "Perle has been a leading, albeit somewhat free lance, voice in the Bush administration for a war with Iraq. As a campaign adviser, he suggested in 2000 to a Senate committee that Bush would oust Iraqi leader Saddam Hussein if he (...) (22 years ago, 28-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I've been mulling this over, and something just isn't ringing true for me about it. You claim that your home budget is run democratically, but I don't think I can believe that. I gather that you currently have one child, correct? But suppose (...) (22 years ago, 28-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Oh please, from your own cite I give you: "If terrorists are found, it would be the first proof of a direct link..." In other words, there is no proof, and the whole piece is speculation based on a few threats an Iraqi grunt ('no offense') (...) (22 years ago, 28-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) (URL) which I quote an article that in turn quotes author and intelligence expert James Bamford. "There is a predominant belief in the intelligence community that an invasion of Iraq will cause more terrorism than it will prevent. There is (...) (22 years ago, 28-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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John: I honestly think you may be afflicted by a kind of psychosis. You seem to believe that the U.S.' actions in the world should have no repercussions, whereas I am certain that people around the globe are responding to us with extreme negativity. (...) (22 years ago, 28-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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"David Koudys" <dkoudys@redeemer.on.ca> wrote in message (...) "The Songs of Distant Earth", IMHO one of the best books of all time, if not the best. See also the Mike Oldfield "Soundtrack" of the same title, also amazing. With regard to (...) (22 years ago, 28-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) So much for freedom of speech! Remember it was banned in Bahrain for its “Zionist Bias” [irc]. Al Jazeera.net is not my main news source, but it does provide: 1) an alternative to the USA/UK propaganda 2) an insight into how the conflict is (...) (22 years ago, 28-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) That's BS. Cites, please. Even as you question backpedalling you backpedal! (...) So it is *our* fault, eh? No, we are the radicals' convenient scapegoat, along with Israel, the perpetual Arab scapegoat. (...) Nor am I. Do it yourself. These (...) (22 years ago, 28-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Larry is talking about the probability a country will continue to deliver. I'm not really interested in debating semantics, but potential and probability have different meanings. At least my reference was to the same word. JOHN (22 years ago, 28-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Preexisting when? (...) What? No clever little ad hominem for Tony? Hack. (...) I'll tell you what gives-- what we perceived as the threat to *our* national security was having a madman like Saddam collect WMD who then possibly would pass them (...) (22 years ago, 28-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) John, find me a source citing and proving a preexisting link. I can find you a denial of such a claim on the White House's own webpages (and I have provided that link at least twice in this forum already). Do you have information of value in (...) (22 years ago, 28-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) John, how obtuse can you be? Why backpedal? This was predicted by anyone paying attention. I feel quite sure I myself have voiced this exact fear one way or another. Rummy claimed an "evolving" relationship [note: not necessarily a preexisting (...) (22 years ago, 28-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) My linking was bad before-- based on this: (URL) (22 years ago, 28-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) But what if *we* didn't start the war? If Al-Qaeda is in bed with Saddam, we have *every* right to invade Iraq to pursue those who started this thing on 9-11. (...) Time for you wake-up call: (URL) (...) Wake up and smell the mustard gas. (...) (22 years ago, 28-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) It's not about me: (URL) it's true, beware of backpedalling Lefties! JOHN (22 years ago, 28-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) On what basis? (URL) (22 years ago, 28-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Clearly we must trod the path of taking kids from their parents very carefully. This certainly is an area we need to work on. Perhaps there are ways to provide the kids with some safety net without removing the parents totally, so the kids can (...) (22 years ago, 28-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) 1. Most warmongers = imperialistic @$$holes (...) 2. White House says no connection, John ::yawn: (...) 3. Was he disarming or gearing up for war? What chance did we give him? Given the context today, I can tell you what I would have been (...) (22 years ago, 28-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Get over yourself -- there is no "I told you so" until this fiasco is over and the contracts have been settled. I was dismayed at the analysis run on BBC's pages today where the basic assertion was that Iraq was a long term investment and was (...) (22 years ago, 28-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Of course it would be a different kettle of fish-- one is the destruction of public and private property and the other is not. The dirty little secrets are starting to manifest themselves (even to the Left): 1. Most "peace" activists = (...) (22 years ago, 28-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) People are idiots--have been, probably always will be--lashing out at stuff that hurts their cause. There are radicals that should really get their heads examined. If they think they're helping their POV by doing stupid, idiotic and, quite (...) (22 years ago, 28-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Yeah, that's tough. One big problem with this is that the wants of the child will often disagree with the thoughts of society on what should happen. Children, even fairly abused children, usually don't want to be seperated from their parents. (...) (22 years ago, 28-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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The anti-war hysteria has become absolutely disgusting-- this makes me sick: (URL) (22 years ago, 28-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(URL) may be premature to say "I told you so", but this doesn't look good for the case for those who oppose the war. JOHN (22 years ago, 28-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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"The FBI was investigating, spokesman Paul Bresson said." Yeah, sure. Where do you think this lies on their priority list? Bruce (22 years ago, 28-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(URL) (22 years ago, 28-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Baghdad with the hope of bringing the Republican Guard to action in the open, where it can be devastated by the overwhelming firepower of the American armoured units and air force." Or we could just lure them all out into the desert and drop a (...) (22 years ago, 28-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I guess we're getting into the nitty gritty details of what is owed. I don't think I'm looking for absolutes (in fact I think I want to avoid them). I think part of what I'm looking for is how do we judge (I think we have to have some basis (...) (22 years ago, 27-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) or (...) she (...) neccessary (...) I don't remember for sure but I don't think she was acquitted. (...) It has happened before. You won't find this in any paper... I know a women who's 70something year old neigbor was sentenced to 25 years in (...) (22 years ago, 28-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) But you're just defining what the parents owe with an absolute dollar value, while I'm not. I think parents owe time and spending power and even a particular style (or one of several, more like) of parenting. But there is no single good that (...) (22 years ago, 27-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) The most damning part of this tale isn't given; was the woman sentenced or acquitted? (...) I appreciate your candor and your understanding of my skepticism. I still have trouble believing that the case could have been gagged or swept under (...) (22 years ago, 27-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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I think I heard Rumsfeld was considering using non-lethal chemical weapons. It would be both illegal and rather ironic; but it *may* deliver the desired result with reduced civilian deaths. (...) ... if the letters page is on-line, it is normally (...) (22 years ago, 27-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Yeah, how Star Trek basically trashed anything 'non-human'--the Q Continuum-supreme beings acting like spoiled children and needing our humanity to temper them--and as you mentioned, the Borg. Even though there are many post-modern references (...) (22 years ago, 27-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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There has been a lot of talk about post war. I've said I feared we'd lose the peace if we let the UN bloatocrats and the IMF and World Bank do their usual. Ditto if we just put in another strongman and don't reform the society. Kurtz argues that if (...) (22 years ago, 27-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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Some pundits have been advocating that the best way to minimise civilian casualties in this war (taking as a given that it has started and that it will be seen through to the end one way or another) is to win quickly even if horrifically... the (...) (22 years ago, 27-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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I read "Childhood's End" a few years ago and, I know it was written something like the 50's[1], but the end struck me as completely counter to what I think I was supposed to feel. "Childhoods End" :::SPOILERS WARNING::: It could be a that steady (...) (22 years ago, 27-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I loved Asimov’s Foundation ‘trilogy’ due to its rather dated version of the future – atomic powered watches come to mind. I had a former-colleague who collected all his books just for the covers [many of them had little relevance to the (...) (22 years ago, 27-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) So as I pick up my very well-read copy of the Foundation Trilogy, and looking at the ripped cover and bike grease (I was biking home from school one day and it slipped outta my hand and right into the bike chain!), I fondly recalled all the (...) (22 years ago, 27-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | [brainstormin’] [was Re: Parental Responsibilites (was: Megan's Law, and its implications)]
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(...) [brainstormin’] 1. Do think we'd benefit from having more than one debate group? I'm not sure what the best split would be: lugnet.off-topic.deb...nt-affairs lugnet.off-topic.deb...thing-else or lugnet.off-topic.debate.guns (...) (22 years ago, 27-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Indeed. But there is enough Scottish blood in Canada to make it almost perfect. ;) (...) ...and how much of your "top quarter" supported a 2nd resolution? How much supports the current illegal conflict in Iraq? (...) Indeed, and it was those (...) (22 years ago, 27-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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