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Re: Just Teasing, I Have No Intention of Debating Any of This...
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Fri, 28 Mar 2003 00:06:40 GMT
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Dave Schuler writes:
> In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Mike Petrucelli writes:
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> > A women who; through going from school, to work, to home, was mugged at gun • or
> > knife point 4 times by 4 different people inside 2 months or so. Each time • she
> > reached in her purse and gave the person her wallet. The fourth guy hit her
> > several times afterward then fled. She purchased a gun with all the • neccessary
> > registration and permits to carry and conceal it. Durring the next month two
> > people attempted to rob her at knife point. She reached in her purse as if
> > getting her wallet and shot both men through her purse. Neither was mortally
> > wounded and police arrested them and recovered the knifes used. At the end of
> > the month she was held up and gun point she reached in her purse and fired,
> > killing the third man. The police recovered the attackers gun but also placed
> > the women under arrest.
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> The most damning part of this tale isn't given; was the woman sentenced or
> acquitted?
I don't remember for sure but I don't think she was acquitted.
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> > Really I am not surprised I can not find a link to this. In all likelyhood a
> > gag order was placed on the case. Not like it would be the first time that
> > happened.
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> I appreciate your candor and your understanding of my skepticism. I still
> have trouble believing that the case could have been gagged or swept under
> some bureaucratic carpet;
It has happened before. You won't find this in any paper...
I know a women who's 70something year old neigbor was sentenced to 25 years in
prison. A group of teens were throwing toilet paper in his tree and yelling
obsenities and all around being obnoxious and deliquent. After a month of
calling the childerns parents and eventually calling the police several times,
(to no effect,) the man walked outside, pointed a gun in the oppsite direction,
and fired a few shots into an empty field. He yelled at the kids to get off his
property which of course they did. An hour later the police arrested him. A gag
order was placed on the whole thing. Technically it might be illegal for me to
even tell you about this.
> this kind of litigation would be an NRA
> dream-come-true. I mean, what better argument could they offer about the
> foolishness of gun control laws than the case you've presented? In one
> stroke they could appear as crusaders for women's rights, gun-owner's
> rights, and opponents of overzealous prosecution.
> But even assuming it's all true as given, can you agree that it's an
> anecdote and not really representative of supposedly silly anti-vigilante
> laws? We have the case of a single woman who, her prosecutors would no
> doubt argue, repeatedly put herself into a proven dangerous situation while
> other routes or actions were possible. Might she have been persecuted for
> what she thought was legitimate self defense? Possibly, but that doesn't
> necessarily invalidate the laws under which she was tried.
> Now that I think about it, even a hack public defender would have been
> able to argue a plea of self defense or even diminished capacity, unless she
> really was guilty of 2nd-degree murder and attempted 2nd-degree murder. For
> that matter, she wouldn't have needed a public defender, because the
> National Organization for Women would have sprung to her defense, and the
> NRA would certainly have been on her side.
Yes all of that should have happened, but a gag order would make it illeagal
and subject to prosecution. Of course one has to wonder how the public would
respond if that happened.
> Without questioning your honesty or your recollection (neither of which
> I've ever had reason to doubt here), I'd have to suggest that you are
> recalling a tale either fabricated or sensationalized by whatever media put
> it forth in the first place.
No it was in the normal paper, though I don't blame your skeptism. The whole
thing is aweful conspiracy theory-ish.
-Mike Petrucelli
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