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(...) No, that's not just you-- I agree with you! I'd probably say "Lion's share", but that's just me:-) (...) Accepted. (...) Ahem. Don't confuse the terms Democracy and Freedom with Capitalism-- they aren't necessarily interchangeable. JOHN (22 years ago, 26-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Richard Marchetti writes: <snip> (...) Eh, like those cutsey posters, everything I need to know for life I learned in either kindergarden or from watching Star Trek. Never leave tribbles unattended! Dave K (22 years ago, 26-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Snip out all the stuff. Whatever. If your gov't is allowing oppression in certain countries because it suits your countrys needs and wants, and yet goes to wars with other countries because it suits your needs--I like how Iraq is an American (...) (22 years ago, 26-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Yes, Larry has a "tiresome" way of asserting the existence of some arguments that should silence us all, but then never actually putting any of these things into words. It's as if he sits there smug and superior, knowing all and revealing (...) (22 years ago, 26-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) True, and I apologize. The America-centric vibe I get from John's posts slanted my readings. I would have said something like, "There are many countries that have contributed 'blessings' to the world, and America has had it's fair share." But (...) (22 years ago, 26-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) How obtuse can you be??? We are talking about *governments*. Free and democratic societies are superior to repressed ones ruled by dictators. What about that is so hard to understand? JOHN (22 years ago, 26-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Dave: for clarity's sake, let me point out that John is objecting (not incorrectly) to your charge that he is painting the US as the sole provider of blessings, when in fact he merely asserted that the US has produced countless blessings. For (...) (22 years ago, 26-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) No, your very posts show me that "America the Great" is what matters, and other ideas be damned. (...) Now look who's misreading--I never said "morally equivelance" at all. Would you please read and understand what is being said. In so many (...) (22 years ago, 26-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Is not a straw man at all, Larry, and I'm sorry that you're tired. But when you are wrong, you're wrong. You have no issues pointing out when I'm wrong (or others), and I have no problems accepting such criticism. But *a* country has the same (...) (22 years ago, 26-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Did I say that? You are obfuscating and being argumentative. (...) I don't even know what that is supposed to mean. (...) I reject your moral equivelance of nations. The second we think we are better is the second that there are second class (...) (22 years ago, 26-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Absolute Wow! for the article, Richard. Just to start a different debate, one of a more political nature, and one where I don't have an opinion (yet ;) )... Will, or could, the "American Empire" fall, much akin to the former Soviet Union? (...) (22 years ago, 26-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Sorry, Dave. Some nations are better than others. That's no slur against those who happen to live in the nations that aren't up to snuff. But when you say stuff like "We, all of us, are equal nations", you're being tiresome. Note that I didn't (...) (22 years ago, 26-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Because I am a red-blooded american boy; living, breathing, working, and striving for all that is great and good for my world; and because I am committed to a larger project which takes the downturns and the upswings with a grain of salt; (...) (22 years ago, 26-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) More important that 'freedom toast'-- "Two U.S. officials also said Iraqi dissidents slated to take prominent roles in any postwar administration have voiced concerns about the U.N.'s role. "The U.N. has a history of slow, bloated bureaucracy (...) (22 years ago, 26-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) <snip> (...) Also on CNN today: Bush rallies troops at Central Command in Florida (URL) Air Force One on the flight to Tampa, the breakfast menu included stuffed "Freedom Toast," the latest example of changing menus to show displeasure with (...) (22 years ago, 26-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) [Unless they are allies: Pakistan & Israel come to mind] (...) [Yeah, hes already shown himself to be "thankful " for *others* fighting for his country: Vietnam comes to mind] (...) (22 years ago, 26-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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*Applause* (22 years ago, 26-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) What? You think America the Great is the only country that 'produces countless blessings upon the world'? You act as if America is the second coming, John! We, all of us, are equal nations (or at least should be), and the second you start (...) (22 years ago, 26-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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Just once I would love Dubya to have a speech about this war of his and not infer that's it's due to 9/11 His speech in the Pentagon-- "Eighteen months ago, this building came under attack. From that day to this we have been engaged in a new kind of (...) (22 years ago, 26-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I agree with some of that, *but* your [collective] "love of Freedom and liberty" is not reflected in your support for all manner of deviants [both current & past] is it? Is self-interest more important than your [collective] "love of Freedom (...) (22 years ago, 26-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I have to say, I could not agree more with this point. Searching for legal loopholes to justify highly questionable in/actions is a major annoyance to me. The UK's use of cluster bombs in Iraq [anti-personnel bombs in all but name] is an (...) (22 years ago, 26-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) She also writes in that article (and indirectly criticizes you for your one-sided except): "It would be unfair to reach these harsh conclusions without pointing out that America does provide much aid and expertise to the developing world and (...) (22 years ago, 26-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Ouch! Down goes Fraser! He'll be reeling after that hit! Dave K (22 years ago, 26-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Indeed, whole countries have been invaded [allegedly] on that basis. :-\ Scott A (22 years ago, 26-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Before someone points out my error, I should have describe the woman's actions as "second degree murder" rather than "third degree murder." I'm reluctant to address the specifics of your story in case further details should be revealed as we (...) (22 years ago, 26-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Not to try to single folks out, but your "Dream of America the Perfect" must be revisited--Directed at John 'Faith in their own exceptionalism,' she writes, 'has sometimes led to a certain obtuseness on the part of Americans, a tendency to (...) (22 years ago, 26-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) We will see: Iraq contracts 'open to all' (URL) United States has assured foreign companies that they will be allowed to bid for contracts for the reconstruction of Iraq after the war is over. There has been concern in Britain and elsewhere (...) (22 years ago, 26-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Not in Scotland; here photovoltaics & wind power are predictably unpredictable. We are taking a centralised broad-spectrum approach to renewables: hydro, biomas, wind and marine current power. Right now about 10% of our power needs come from (...) (22 years ago, 26-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I understand there are outstanding cases [from both sides] from Vietnam & Korea. (...) This powerful text lists the articles that have been broken: One rule for them (URL) Bay, in Cuba, where 641 men (nine of whom are British citizens) are (...) (22 years ago, 26-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) If pictures do exist, there are cultural reasons why we would not show them. That does not mean that extra-judicial executions are not occurring. I read this report from Afghanistan yesterday: One rule for them (URL) interviewed a Northern (...) (22 years ago, 26-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Fine. I really approve of the goals of the federal Constitution. Satisfied? We are such a long way from when the cup may have been half full at this point in time -- it is so clearly no more than half empty now. And how we can we free others (...) (22 years ago, 26-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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...Or, "How to turn $75 million USD into $1 billion by making friends and influencing people, and killing thousands of others besides." Halliburton Makes a Killing on Iraq War (URL) the party begin) Prisoners of Hypocrisy (URL) Damned Spot!) Tony (...) (22 years ago, 26-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Something we agree on. Given the "problems" with our itelligence, why would you rather err on the side of war? Kill 'em all, let god sort 'em out? Perhaps you can explain it better... -- Hop-Frog (22 years ago, 26-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Good modern photovoltaics pay for themselves in ~13 years and last ~20 years. Because they're modular, you can scale your installation easily to provide far in excess of the power you need. Or am I misunderstanding your meaning? (...) You just (...) (22 years ago, 26-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Christopher L. Weeks writes:> (...) Not necessarily nukes. they know c would annihilate them for that. however a terrorist group *could* come up with chem or bio weapons themselves, and therefore using them would hurt c (...) (22 years ago, 26-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) fire? (...) is not grounds for shooting them. (How did that happen?) (...) a (...) there (...) You misunderstand due to me not being more clear in that post. She was attacked by 7 different people. After the first 4 she bought a gun which was (...) (22 years ago, 25-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Zing! Good one! JOHN (22 years ago, 25-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Okay, I'll work with that. You say that pointing out our flaws is part of being a good American. I think we can agree here; I would say that being a good American in part means being vigilant about protecting the ideals of our Constitution. My (...) (22 years ago, 25-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Estate taxes? =) -- Hop-Frog (22 years ago, 25-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Wow, that *is* pretty lame. By that logic, they could charge dead people for their non-use of food, air, and water. Dave! (22 years ago, 25-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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