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From: (URL) this: Iraq's Defence Minister, Sultan Hashim Ahmed, said Iraq would "not harm the captured prisoners of war". "It will treat them in accordance with the Geneva Convention on prisoners of war." with this: An ICRC spokeswoman said it was (...) (22 years ago, 23-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) protestor who takes up an anti-war sign. JOHN (22 years ago, 23-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Come on, Frank, you can't possibly make the comparison of the incineration of 2 *buildings* to the incineration of an entire *city*. And I wasn't talking about just *any* city; I specifically meant Washington, D.C. And what if the attack came (...) (22 years ago, 23-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) --Anyone with half a brain must see that Saddam has --to be taken out. It is extraordinarily ironic that the --anti-war protesters are marching to defend a --government which stops its people exercising that --freedom. particularly interesting (...) (22 years ago, 23-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) That's just silly. I have no problem calling it terrorism. Any tactic designed primarily to inspire fear (or "shock and awe?") is a terrorist tactic. I still stand behind the notion that terrorism sometimes makes good sense. My verbiage was (...) (22 years ago, 23-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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Look, this is just counterproductive. There is no on-point discussion being advanced. If you were looking at my resume you would absolutely assume that my past record had at least some relationship to the trajectory of my present and future career (...) (22 years ago, 23-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) More on this: (URL) (22 years ago, 23-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) It sure is interesting. It also certainly says a lot about what is going on inside Iraq for the officers to have been shot. It is hard to comprehend the officer's mindset since I can't believe they were given sufficient support to have any (...) (22 years ago, 23-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Hmm, in a "totally open and free US society" (which we've never had, or certainly haven't had this century), I don't think nuking one city would collapse us. See, the thing is, with a totally open and free society, the power is sufficiently (...) (22 years ago, 23-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) <snip> (...) Palestinian "aggression"? You can't even bring yourself to call it "terrorism". I don't really want to go here, though, because I fear it is an issue of differing perspectives. (...) Agreed. (...) Well, I bet you can guess how (...) (22 years ago, 23-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Has Quebec seceded already, then? Else I am not following you. By the way, not everyone in Canada shares your view... (URL) I know... he's from the west coast. (22 years ago, 23-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) John, try to be a bit more serious... you'll never get him to ADMIT it. Normally I ignore him but he's gone too far this time. In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Richard Marchetti writes: "Please show me where I claimed the work of some hidden (...) (22 years ago, 23-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) So you admit you are a conspiracy nut... JOHN (22 years ago, 23-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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This isn't reasonable discussion of the issues. All of this "conspiracy" nonsense is just that. Please show me where I claimed the work of some hidden conspiracy? I gave a cite from CNN, for crying out loud. All I did was then analyze the (...) (22 years ago, 23-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Those guys are pikers. It's the Robot Sea Monsters aligned with the Orbital Mind Control Lasers that are behind this vast conspiracy. (22 years ago, 23-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) So, why does the US have any Nuclear weapon? for self defense? against whom? Iraq? Oh, wait, US attacked Iraq, not the other way around... And nuclear weapons against Bin Laden, well, it's unlikely... Your argument doesn't make sense. (...) (...) (22 years ago, 22-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I agree. (...) Of course! But the dream is getting even better by the minute! :-) (...) Yes they do. But which country has been involved in the most ars since, let's say, 1950? Don't even think about Russia or, hehehe, Iraq... (...) Well, (...) (22 years ago, 22-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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LET THIS BE CLEAR : I AM NOT CANADIAN. You want to know Canada's opinion on the issue? Well, there is Ontario, who is against a war without the UN, but wishes the US wil win the war. Totally opposite statements. That's Ontario for you. Then there is (...) (22 years ago, 22-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) How about the Skull & Bones society angle? JOHN (22 years ago, 22-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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"Russia: No move to legitimise war" (URL) which has big economic and oil interests in Iraq, aligned itself with France and China in opposing U.S.-led military action to topple Iraqi leader Saddam Hussein and disarm Iraq of banned weapons that (...) (22 years ago, 22-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I reviewed the Sun-- it wasn't that bad. It's like an R rated People/Car&Driver/Time rolled into one. I especially enjoyed Clarkson's article on SUV's: (URL) rags include The Inquirer-type pubs. You call it "gutter" probably because you don't (...) (22 years ago, 22-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Wasn't it Napoleon Bonaparte that said something like this? (...) It cannot be that he rolls out of bed each morning and says to himself: "God, I am so stupid I think I'll declare war today." He has to have motive. He has to think there is (...) (22 years ago, 22-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) "IRAQI conscripts shot their own officers in the chest yesterday to avoid a fruitless fight over the oil terminals at al-Faw." Nobody thinks Iraqi soldiers can stand up to our vastly superior forces -- not with conventional weapons. But where (...) (22 years ago, 22-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) This issue [excuse the pun] aside, the Sun really is gutter press. See it online: (URL) at Sun Chirac jibe: (URL) all of News International's >150 papers, it supports the war. Scott A (22 years ago, 22-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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Well it looks like Turkey is getting itchy feet. But guess what; the USA has rebuked Turkey for daring to invade Iraq! See: Turkish troops enter Iraq (URL) does the word "hypocrisy" come to mind? Scott A (22 years ago, 22-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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I loved this: (URL) Bell never fails. ;) Scott A (22 years ago, 22-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) "Do not ascribe to malice that which can be adequately explained by stupidity." -Richard Feynmann (...) The French are upset because of Dubya's stOOpid actions. I'd describe his "diplomacy" as perhaps the worst I've ever seen (and this from a (...) (22 years ago, 22-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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first: (URL) you think the Iraqi conscripts might know more about reality than the SF protestors? I can't take credit for discovering this juxtaposition, I saw it on a blog. (22 years ago, 22-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Sorry Larry, you're thinking is too simplistic in my view. You ascribe everything to stupidity and not everything works that way. What is their motive? Or had you forgotten that most people have motives for the things that they do? And what? (...) (22 years ago, 22-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) And most if not all of the Palestinian aggression is in retaliation for Israeli terrorism. I'm not even saying that you're wrong. I think you're right. But that doesn't change the rightness of what I said. They are in a cycle of violence (...) (22 years ago, 22-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) What you are failing to place into the Israeli question is Palestinian terrorism. Most if not all of Israeli aggression is in retaliation for terrorism. What is going to bring peace in that region is for the Palestinians to eschew terror and (...) (22 years ago, 22-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Making Israel play by "the rules" would, I think, be the first step in reaching a peace in the region. Most of the Arab world objects to the way that Israel is treated to a double standard. I know you just don't think that's a reasonable (...) (22 years ago, 22-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) You contradict yourself. How would letting Israel fall *decrease* their misery? (...) Very good question. The answer is because of the UN. We didn't have a mandate to enter Iraq; only to free Kuwait. We *should* have continued on to Baghdad (...) (22 years ago, 21-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) But of course; it's a game. (...) But of course! (...) Now that's when it *really* gets fun for the kids! And they are actually learning something about cooperation and teamwork! (...) Never said that. It's a game. (...) But of course. It (...) (22 years ago, 21-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I snipped it because it's another debate. JOHN (22 years ago, 21-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) him (...) I (...) which (...) It was a serious comment at first. How to get rid of an evil dictator with nuclear weapons other than to strike first? The man is clearly insane enough to: (Insert your own "facts" from below). The facts are (...) (22 years ago, 21-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) False. It was doing no such thing. (...) False again. Tell that to the Kurds, er, Shiites, er Chaldeans he gassed/starved/paved over during the peace Hussein's imposition of his will on his oppressed people cost how many hundreds of thousands (...) (22 years ago, 21-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Well, you're welcome, but I wish you would have left at least one more sentence of what I posted, *the very next one* in fact: "Ashcroft (and his bunch) actually ARE out there undermining liberty" This is true, you can't argue it, so maybe (...) (22 years ago, 21-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Because one way people don't die. Inspections and containment was working. The other way people die--bombing and fighting. There had better be a physical "smoking gun" for me to consider the very option of thinking about starting a war. And if (...) (22 years ago, 21-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Thank you for saying so! I have about had it with RM's silly conspiratorial blathering. JOHN (22 years ago, 21-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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