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Re: Just Teasing, I Have No Intention of Debating Any of This...
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, John Neal writes:

You contradict yourself.  How would letting Israel fall *decrease* their misery?

Making Israel play by "the rules" would, I think, be the first step in reaching
a peace in the region.  Most of the Arab world objects to the way that Israel
is treated to a double standard.  I know you just don't think that's a
reasonable analysis, but they (and I) do.  We should pull our money out of
their sorry little butt as long as they're going to fight tooth and nail
against peace.  If they want our $3B each year, we really ought to make them
embrace their humanity for it.  And if they don't want it that badly, then so
be it.

Setting them up to fail/fall would not decrease their misery.  But I think it
might decrease the net misery, and I also think they're not dumb enough to
fall.  If we made them get in line, they'd do it.  In a few generations the
monsters like Sharon would be gone and there would be peace.  There's no
Earthly reason that there can't be peace over there.

I remember feeling very unsure of the future just after 9-11.  Not for my own
safety necessarily, but for the future of our way of life.  At no time in
history could so few inflict so much potential damage.  It is a problem that
will require new methods of combat.

It took me weeks and months to realize that they won.  That they have
successfully changed our way of life.  Ashcroft is their tool and no one seems
to understand that.  Every time the gubmint is given broader powers to moniter
and control our lives, we become more like the enemy.  Yet we (you) feel like
this is a good thing.  It baffles me/

Seriously, does anyone doubt for a second that, had OBL access to a nuke, he
would denotate it in Washington D.C.?  I don't.  And that is not a happy
thought.

I don't doubt it for a second.  OBL is a bad bad man who is thoroughly
disenfranchised.  Hussein is also a bad (but sane) man.  I don't object to
working toward regime change.  I object to the smoke and mirrors used in an
attempt to justify it.  I object to the claim that he is linked to OBL.  And I
will object most of all to the theft of the Iraqi oil if Richard is right while
you and Larry eat crow.

Like I said.  We have the option to make this a good thing.  I just fear that
we shant.

Chris



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  Re: Just Teasing, I Have No Intention of Debating Any of This...
 
(...) What you are failing to place into the Israeli question is Palestinian terrorism. Most if not all of Israeli aggression is in retaliation for terrorism. What is going to bring peace in that region is for the Palestinians to eschew terror and (...) (22 years ago, 22-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

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(...) You contradict yourself. How would letting Israel fall *decrease* their misery? (...) Very good question. The answer is because of the UN. We didn't have a mandate to enter Iraq; only to free Kuwait. We *should* have continued on to Baghdad (...) (22 years ago, 21-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

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