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Re: Just Teasing, I Have No Intention of Debating Any of This...
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Fri, 21 Mar 2003 22:48:19 GMT
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Christopher L. Weeks writes:
> In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Larry Pieniazek writes:
> > In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Christopher L. Weeks writes:
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> > > Have we done anything to help increase security for anyone,
> > > ourselves included?
> >
> > I don't know if we *have* but some think we *can*...see
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> > http://news.lugnet.com/off-topic/debate/?n=19514
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> > which gives a link making the argument that working to overthrow tyrants is
> > useful.
> >
> > Again, I'm not sure I agree with that writer's view. Do you? What do you
> > think could be done to bring peace and freedom to those currently oppressed?
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> You and I agree that we should not be contributing aid to the worst nations
> in the world. It is a disgrace that China is a PNTR partner. Supporting
> Israel with no strings attached (and maybe at all) is also bad. Being there
> to help them up when they fall would be good. Instead of throwing Russia to
> the wolves after the USSR disintigrated, we should have been there as allies
> to help them build a democratic mindset. It almost seems like we have a
> systematic approach to increasing the misery of others.
You contradict yourself. How would letting Israel fall *decrease* their misery?
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> The plans for Iraq after the regime change sound good. At this point, I
> guess we'll have to wait and see. Good can still come from this, but if
> that was our goal, why didn't we do it twelve years ago when most of the
> bill would be picked up by others?
Very good question. The answer is because of the UN. We didn't have a mandate
to enter Iraq; only to free Kuwait. We *should* have continued on to Baghdad
and ousted SH's regime then. The US *should* have defied the UN way back then.
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> > Yet it's clear to me that the world is a safer and freer place now that the
> > US won the cold war (for the benefit of all), than it was back then.
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> I'm not sure how to do that calculus. _I_ didn't ever feel unsafe due to
> the cold war and I don't feel usafe today. But I wasn't very aware of the
> wider world and I'm too young for our Cuban crises.
I remember feeling very unsure of the future just after 9-11. Not for my own
safety necessarily, but for the future of our way of life. At no time in
history could so few inflict so much potential damage. It is a problem that
will require new methods of combat.
Seriously, does anyone doubt for a second that, had OBL access to a nuke, he
would denotate it in Washington D.C.? I don't. And that is not a happy
thought.
JOHN
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