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(...) Okay, but so what? Statistically, one group will *have* to make more than the other group-- what is the point? The point is that there are haves and havenots-- why introduce race into the equation? How does that ultimately matter? And what (...) (22 years ago, 12-Nov-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Are you out of your mind again? Christianity and Christians are TO THIS DAY actively engaged in the banning and suppression of materials they find offensive or contradictory to the orthodoxy. Witness the disgusting efforts of Michael Behe & (...) (22 years ago, 12-Nov-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Not to get off-topic (well, this is the off-topic forum), but I am curious, what would the people making 10 cents a day make as income if U.S.ians didn't buy Nike shoes? Would they make nothing a day? Are there jobs in their countries that pay (...) (22 years ago, 12-Nov-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) This statement should no have to be proved to such a keen observer of the world but since you asked. 1) I was reading about the island of Borneo the other day and the exploitation of the their rainforests to provide cheap lumber to Japan (a (...) (22 years ago, 12-Nov-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Hi Dave, I agree with you that these affect the global environment, but you do they show exploitation of the developing world? -chris (22 years ago, 12-Nov-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Not the believe like us or die variety. That may be been en vogue 100s of years ago for Christianity, but Christianity grew out of those dark times, and continues to change with time (although the basic message is the same). Islam has no (...) (22 years ago, 12-Nov-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Well considering the decision to drill in Alaska hasn't been made yet, and has failed every time so far that Congress has tried to pass it, I think you're jumping the gun on this one. I'd say that the U.S. is at worst split down the middle (...) (22 years ago, 12-Nov-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Not going to speak for Scott, but I took his meaning as: If we do a poll, we will find out that the *majority* of black people make a lot less money and live in disadvantagious areas of the US than the *majority* of white people. Since you, (...) (22 years ago, 12-Nov-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Not hard at all--science. More specifics--space program, aeronautics, other stuff--yes the world benefitted from these things but specifically, the US--letting in German scientists and turning a blind eye to some atrocities during the war they (...) (22 years ago, 12-Nov-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Are you serious?? I have been *trying* to point out to you that, not only is such a spurious allogation not true, but *IT IS RACIST*. I never once made such a claim. Are you still beating your wife? -John (22 years ago, 12-Nov-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) No, but we got Dr. Who, Monty Python, Absolutely Fabulous, and The Young Ones. (...) The US benefitted in terms of the synthetic rubber industry, computer industry, aircraft manufacturing industry, and the certainly in terms of the advent of (...) (22 years ago, 12-Nov-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Don't forget Lend Lease (did we ever get any of the lends back?) (...) True but irrelevant. What matters is who would have won if we hadn't entered, and if you conclude the Allies would have (not a foregone conclusion by any means), at what (...) (22 years ago, 12-Nov-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Is much like if I say 'The Giants Win the Pennant!! The Giants win the pennant!!" but more apt--is the line the announcer said when the finishing blow in a famous boxing match was thrown--"Down goes Fraser!" = finishing blow = nail in coffin = (...) (22 years ago, 12-Nov-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) You'll have to explain this colloquialism to me. Scott A (22 years ago, 12-Nov-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Scott Arthur writes: <snip> (...) Bingo. (...) Ouch! Truth. (...) Slam! Down goes Fraser! (...) And finally the punch that Ali never threw--Wow, new appreciation for Scott. (...) Wow! Scott hit the nail directly on the (...) (22 years ago, 12-Nov-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I'm not ignoring anything. GDP is the standard way of measuring it - under Agenda 21, the Official Development Assistance (ODA) aid target of 0.7% of GDP was set. Even when measured per head of population, the USA is still hitting below its (...) (22 years ago, 12-Nov-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) And I think that war is hell, and that when you're in a *war*, that it truly is an 'us and them' scenario. There is no denying that the 'politic', the 'intelligencia' and the 'people' have to be 'on-side' in order to fight and maintain a war (...) (22 years ago, 12-Nov-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Giving more in raw dollars and being lower as a percentage of GDP are not mutually exclusive if the GDPs are different, a fact being conveniently ignored by your detractors, John. This also omits private contributions, and the aid in kind for (...) (22 years ago, 12-Nov-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) The two atomic bomb raids were not the only US bomb raids on Japan during the second world war. US low level incendiary bomb raids started much earlier. The aim of the night time bomb raids were the civillian population, which largely lived in (...) (22 years ago, 12-Nov-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I expect you are correct. I searched for the WHO rankings, but I had no luck. Although I did find this: (URL) makes no mention of Cuba, but it does tell us the WHO places the US system at number 38 [very average]. The rankings appear to be (...) (22 years ago, 12-Nov-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Actually, the bomb was dropped to scare the Japanese, thus ending the war. I don't see that as terrorism, though - terrorism implies a much more prolonged chain of events than a couple weeks in August '45. Terrorism is ETA in Spain, IRA in (...) (22 years ago, 12-Nov-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) More data: Country Foreign Aid % GDP Japan 0.28 France 0.55 Germany 0.31 USA 0.10 Netherlands 0.81 UK 0.28 Canada 0.38 These figures hide the fact that Isreal gets most of the aid from the USA. Scott A (...) (22 years ago, 11-Nov-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I'm asking you john why you think non-whites in the USA are genetically predisposed to have disproportionately less economic freedom. Scott A (...) (22 years ago, 12-Nov-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) There is that... if America didn't revolt--taxation w/o representation and all that--how would the world be today? Though to be said--the xenophobic america who wouldn't enter a war until their collective face is slapped, also has to be looked (...) (22 years ago, 12-Nov-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I tell you, the word "terrorism" gets so over/misused. The purpose of terrorism is to evoke fear in a GP for the purpose of swaying opinion. We dropped the bombs on Japan to bring about a quick end to the war (that *they* started BTW), not to (...) (22 years ago, 12-Nov-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Ya, because we did the heavy lifting for you and GB realised that they could let you have your way peacefully, or keep a cork on things a bit longer and see you either revolt, or be annexed by us... Grin, duck, run (22 years ago, 12-Nov-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Evidentily, no one was paying attention on how to successfully pull off a revolution. Wimps! :-) (...) Oh, alright, I don't particularly want to see Canada broken up either (Canadians are too darn peaceful - ya shoulda shot DeGaul when you had (...) (22 years ago, 12-Nov-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Yes, Pedro was right--Quebec did not want to 'bring the constitution home' for they could appeal to a highter authority than the Canadian Supreme court if they were denied something from the Supreme Court. The separatists wanted a higher (...) (22 years ago, 11-Nov-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Herein lies the real problem. You hit it right on the head with that question, Rosco. I am somewhat in favor of blasting violent people with violent retaliation, but I do fear that to some extent such activity can breed future violence. Many (...) (22 years ago, 11-Nov-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Well, since I've publically stated I think their reasoning in WWII was nothing short of terrorism anyway (lets not go there again), I'd have to say "neither", especially with dubya at the helm. Here's another question: Do you think that (...) (22 years ago, 11-Nov-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) David (no "!") understood what I was refering to - technically everything Canada did was supposed to be approved by the Queen until that last vestige of empire was officially expunged a couple of decades ago. I was embarrassed for my Canadian (...) (22 years ago, 11-Nov-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) In what way are they *SPECIFICALLY* linked. -John (22 years ago, 11-Nov-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) If it was Québec, I am not a bit surprised. The Crown had assumed compromises to protect the french heritage of the province. Obviously, they would rather keep the privilege. (...) Was that clause used often, btw? (...) The Crown declared war. (...) (22 years ago, 11-Nov-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Someone once said that America needed a revolution to become their own country--Canada just 'evolved' into our own, and not without a few snags ourself. PET (Pierre Trudeau) 'decides' to get our constitution over here from Britain--got 9 (...) (22 years ago, 11-Nov-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Actually, they did not told the Queen to bugger off... because they did not have to; they got their own PM instead. Given that the Crown has little (if any) effective power, it is even better: getting independent whilst assuring a powerful (...) (22 years ago, 11-Nov-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Bruce Schlickbernd writes: <snip> (...) *If* I were to live in the USofA... (and that's a mighty big *if*)... I'd want to live in sunny SoCal... I love it when Craiggers does the "What's the weather like in Buffalo this (...) (22 years ago, 11-Nov-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) 'Merican. Pronounce the "r" so far in the back of your throat that you have to swallow it. :-) Okay, so, America is difficult to swallow. You knew that. ;-) (...) I'd chalk that up on the silly side, and we have elections every year in any (...) (22 years ago, 11-Nov-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I think that Can'eh'dians have *more* freedom than Am'aaar'icans.. We have our elections when we want, not just specifically every 4 years--we choose, therefore more freedom. (well, the party in power chooses... but that's neither here nor (...) (22 years ago, 11-Nov-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Nope, it is a fact. From oneworld.net: "America ranks last among all developed western nations in the amount of aid it provides foreign nations expressed as a percentage of its gross domestic product (GDP) about 0.08 percent, according to a (...) (22 years ago, 11-Nov-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) You don't think they are linked? Scott A (...) (22 years ago, 11-Nov-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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